<div dir="ltr">Bill,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the link! Admittedly I'm not sure I'd classify 32 organizations on an out-of-region abuse watchlist as widespread, though it's unclear if that number is specific to 4.10. It's also unclear to me if these were ARIN-region entities with existing ties to the region (i.e. those who would have otherwise met the out of region use policy) or if these organizations were plundering 4.10 in an entirely fraudulent manner. Knowing how painful it can be to justify 4.10 space to an already thorough ARIN staff, I'm still not convinced we need to act here.</div><div><br></div><div>While I don't want to de-rail us too much, 286 enqueued 4.10 fraud reports doesn't align with ARIN's published statistics for 2025: <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/reference/tools/fraud_report/results/2025/#2025Q2" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/reference/tools/fraud_report/results/2025/#2025Q2</a></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>June Slater</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 6:43 PM William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 5:17 PM June Slater <<a href="mailto:june@rezero.org" target="_blank">june@rezero.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I appreciate that community feedback to an ARIN staff question prompted<br>
> this policy draft. Absent clear evidence of what I would interpret as misuse<br>
> (ex. mass exodus of space to shell corporations for use abroad), I do not<br>
> believe this policy change is justified from an impact perspective. Has<br>
> there been evidence of this sort of misuse?<br>
<br>
Hi June,<br>
<br>
The short answer is: yes. Lots of abuse. There was a presentation<br>
about it at NANOG 94. I'm not sure what the canonical URL for the<br>
slides is but you can find a copy at:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://storage.googleapis.com/site-media-prod/meetings/NANOG94/5448/20250611_Sweeting_Safeguarding_Registry_Integrity__v1.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://storage.googleapis.com/site-media-prod/meetings/NANOG94/5448/20250611_Sweeting_Safeguarding_Registry_Integrity__v1.pdf</a><br>
<br>
And you can find the full video here:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwnss8M5Ks" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwnss8M5Ks</a><br>
<br>
The 4.10 specific stuff starts on page 10 of the PDF and around<br>
timestamp 11:45 in the video.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bill Herrin<br>
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