<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div dir='auto' style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'><div id="message" dir="auto"><div><br id="br3"><font size="2">Hello Sylvain,</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear on what has happened on the African list. There clearly has been astroturfing and use of llms to generate emails which are repeating the same arguments from newcomer addresses.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">I have not commented on the proposal there which relates to the as-set but I saw the opportunity to possibly launch a larger and more trenchant discussion of the advent of llm use in this context.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">On that list I was careful in my first post to distinguish the mere use of an llm from its use to subvert the list through duplication or excessive volume etc.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">My stance is that the first use is acceptable and the second use of course never is, but further to that my question becomes is it necessary to have a human do the actual posting or is that a distinction without a difference when a human can merely echo an llms words.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Is the open mailing list open to non-human posters?</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">I guess that is the meat of the discussion that I was seeking to have.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Thanks for your thoughts.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br id="br3"></font><br id="br3"></div></div><div id="signature" dir="auto"></div><div id="content" dir="auto"><br><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"></div><br> ---- On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 03:58:40 -0400 <b> abscoco@gmail.com </b> wrote ----<br><br><blockquote style="border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="x_404426774gmail_quote x_404426774gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="x_404426774gmail_attr">Le jeu. 23 juil. 2026 à 22:03, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="x_404426774gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex"><div class="x_404426774msg2624300592692165092"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="x_404426774m_2624300592692165092WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Fernando,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I welcome your thoughts.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><br></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Mike,</div><div>Thanks for starting this thread, here, brother!</div><div><br></div><div>...then, are you willing to call those *astrotufing* posters, </div><div>who already fllooded the RPD [1] mailing list with their </div><div>automated email, to come defend their own PoV (Point </div><div>of View) themselves here?</div><div>__</div><div>[1]: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd/" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd/</a> </div><div>::: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/thread.html#end" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/thread.html#end</a> </div><div>::: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/date.html#end" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/date.html#end</a> </div><div>::: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/author.html#end" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2026/author.html#end</a></div><div></div><div><img src="cid:ii_mryn80yi4" alt="image.png" width="532" height="366"><br><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="x_404426774gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex"><div class="x_404426774msg2624300592692165092"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="x_404426774m_2624300592692165092WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>It may get harder and harder to distinguish between polish and outright verbatim echoing of AI posts by a human interlocutor.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><br></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Brother, it appears that i have a clearly opposing view of the </div><div>future [2] of the world (FotW).</div><div>__</div><div>[2]: <a href="https://biblehub.com/crossref/revelation/22-6.htm" target="_blank">THE HOLY BIBLE | Revelation 22:6 Cross References: "And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass."</a></div><div><br></div><div>So, do kindly allow me to suggest to refrain yourself in going </div><div>further in such a random speculative perspective; imho!</div><div>Your view is your; though... </div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote class="x_404426774gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex"><div class="x_404426774msg2624300592692165092"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="x_404426774m_2624300592692165092WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>The open mailing list is designed to solicit the best arguments, should we ignore the best arguments if they come from AI?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u><br></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please, brother, when you decide to move a discussion of </div><div>this kind to a new place, be kind enough to at least describe </div><div>the problem as it exactly happened out there.</div><div><br></div><div>...anyone who want to check the open archives; would see </div><div>what's really at stake! AI as been identified as the tools which </div><div>empowered a bunch of newcommers with strong view on a </div><div>topic the have seemingly not heard prior to their subscription </div><div>to that mailing list. </div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_mrymqckx2" alt="photo_5985301282673069692_w.jpg" width="532" height="266"><br></div><div> ::: <a class="x_404426774gmail-anchor-url" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120710021154/http://www.swref.com/story/20090705/the_rules_of_netiquette" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20120710021154/http://www.swref.com/story/20090705/the_rules_of_netiquette</a> </div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Please, allow me to doubt that, even for the sake of luring for </div><div>more active participation, this community would hardly accept </div><div>to be flooded in such a way. </div><div><br></div><div>Your mealeage may vary!</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="x_404426774gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex"><div class="x_404426774msg2624300592692165092"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="x_404426774m_2624300592692165092WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">It seems likely to be that we will be dealing with this situation at some point.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u><br></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is nothing new here, brother! see here [3,4]; please!</div><div>__ </div><div>[3]: The rules of netiquette | Software Reference :: <a class="x_404426774gmail-anchor-url" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120710021154/http://www.swref.com/story/20090705/the_rules_of_netiquette" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20120710021154/http://www.swref.com/story/20090705/the_rules_of_netiquette</a> </div><div>[4]: Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette :: <a class="x_404426774gmail-anchor-url" href="https://www.psg.com/emily.html" target="_blank">https://www.psg.com/emily.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>...maybe (i) speed & (ii) automation are the key indicators </div><div>to follow; if one expect to find anything new under the sun :-/</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="x_404426774gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex"><div class="x_404426774msg2624300592692165092"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="x_404426774m_2624300592692165092WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando Frediani<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2026 1:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Slow summer....<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Surely no AI should post in a human discussion mail list. It doesn't make much sense<br>If people want to use AI to polish their text no problem, as long messages are reviewed and sent by humans.<span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>Mail list should not be treated a destination for automated systems to send message, just for human discussions.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Fernando<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 7/23/2026 2:09 PM, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hello List,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Based on a current discussion on the AFRINIC policy development list, I wanted to discuss the use of AI to post to policy lists.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Because these are open forums handled by email, it is quite trivial for any AI to be echoed to the list by a real person, or even post directly in the guise of a real person.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I have used translators to help me post, I expect more and more will use AI to polish, if not create their posts.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">So simply banning use of AI is not the answer, but it brings up some questions.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Is this the camel’s nose of AI into human government?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Should we empower an AI to post directly, or be callable like ask grok?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Should we treat the AI posts just like any other post?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I am not discussing abuse of the list through repeated AI posts restating the same argument and I assume lists have existing tools to exclude certain posters who do abuse.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Any thoughts on using AI on stakerholder governance lists?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Mike</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><img width="159" height="40" style="width: 1.6562in; height: 0.4166in" src="cid:ii_19f92d568844ce8e91"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><img width="188" height="32" style="width: 1.9583in; height: 0.3333in" src="cid:ii_19f92d568855b006a2"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>ARIN-PPML<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<u></u><u></u></pre></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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