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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Daryll,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Fair enough, and I will refer to it as LLMs so as to avoid confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Surely you have heard about LLMs solving unsolved math problems already?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I am more concerned with the obvious path of these LLMs in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My point stands. You don’t know if an LLM wrote this reply to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Daryll Swer <contact@daryllswer.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2026 8:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@sum.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com>; Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani@gmail.com>; arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Slow summer....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 style='width:.0104in;height:.0104in' id="_x0000_i1028" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/f328ad6f9f2194d904fbd976ad07e44b16a0dcdf.png?u=2153471"><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>In this peculiar type of forum how would you know whether you have seen it?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Which medical/neuroscience institute has verified that "AI" (something adjacent to, equivalent to, or surpassing the human brain) exists in the public domain?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think you're conflating "AI" (which no authority has yet verified exists in the public domain) with LLMs and slop.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There's nothing to see regarding something that does not currently exist in the public domain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br><b>--</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Daryll Swer</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Website: <a href="https://l.shortlink.es/l/38fb91dd4be6732199adbfa97771a871b07dbfeb?u=2153471" target="_blank">daryllswer.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 at 17:25, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@sum.net">mike@sum.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Daryll,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In this peculiar type of forum how would you know whether you have seen it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="m_1758394442491690465composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#909090'>Sent from my Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>From: Daryll Swer <<a href="mailto:contact@daryllswer.com" target="_blank">contact@daryllswer.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Date: 7/24/26 3:57 AM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>To: Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank">mike@iptrading.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Cc: Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Slow summer.... <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> the best arguments if they come from AI<br><br>I've yet to see such an incident. And to my knowledge, "AI" isn't publicly available yet; we only have LLMs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br><b>--</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Daryll Swer</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Website: <a href="https://l.shortlink.es/l/8ca45c7b170af55b883b29adc1a353d0ae727d00?u=2153471" target="_blank">daryllswer.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><img border=0 width=1 height=1 style='width:.0104in;height:.0104in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01DD1B43.634F8EE0"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 at 02:33, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Fernando,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I welcome your thoughts.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It may get harder and harder to distinguish between polish and outright verbatim echoing of AI posts by a human interlocutor.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The open mailing list is designed to solicit the best arguments, should we ignore the best arguments if they come from AI?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It seems likely to be that we will be dealing with this situation at some point.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando Frediani<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2026 1:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Slow summer....</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Surely no AI should post in a human discussion mail list. It doesn't make much sense<br>If people want to use AI to polish their text no problem, as long messages are reviewed and sent by humans.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Mail list should not be treated a destination for automated systems to send message, just for human discussions.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 7/23/2026 2:09 PM, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello List,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Based on a current discussion on the AFRINIC policy development list, I wanted to discuss the use of AI to post to policy lists.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Because these are open forums handled by email, it is quite trivial for any AI to be echoed to the list by a real person, or even post directly in the guise of a real person.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I have used translators to help me post, I expect more and more will use AI to polish, if not create their posts.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>So simply banning use of AI is not the answer, but it brings up some questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Is this the camel’s nose of AI into human government?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Should we empower an AI to post directly, or be callable like ask grok?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Should we treat the AI posts just like any other post?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I am not discussing abuse of the list through repeated AI posts restating the same argument and I assume lists have existing tools to exclude certain posters who do abuse.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Any thoughts on using AI on stakerholder governance lists?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal 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