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On Monday, July 13, 2026 at 01:46:00 PM GMT-5, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I would highly recommend removing any language that refers to "grandfathering in". Perhaps "will be exempt until they are removed from the waitlist" but grandfathered in will not pass a staff and legal/community review. We have seen this turned
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<div>Correction - my last sentence should have read:<br>
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<div>"Using the term "transfer market" as in <b>Option 1 </b>is bound to create ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM."<br>
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To: "Gerry George"<<a href="mailto:ggeorge@digisolv.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ggeorge@digisolv.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br>
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<div>I support the policy as written in Option 2. It's very clear and explicit.<br>
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<div>Using the term "transfer market" as in Option 2 is bound to create ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM.<br>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 08:11:45 -0600<br>
Subject: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br>
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<div>We had a suggestion for some modified text to the Draft Policy, primarily in response to feedback and reactions from ARIN 57 and PPML discussions, as many of the concerns related to potential gaming of the system to access the ARIN address pool for out-of-region
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">As a reminder, this proposal is to modify the following text
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">The intent is to amend the proposal, including text to specifically
exclude out of region usage as justification to get IPv4 from the waiting list. </span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Suggested text - Option 1:</span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in 0in 12pt;"><b><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 addresses from the
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Suggested text - Option 2:</span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div style="margin:0in;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;margin:0in;"><b><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 addresses from the ARIN Waitlist
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<div>Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List.<br>
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<div>Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List.<br>
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<div>[Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.]<br>
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