<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>I like the 2nd (more wordy) option. I don't think we should use the term "transfer market" in policy when it hasn't been defined anywhere in the NRPM.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The 2nd option is very explicit and addresses the main objections raised at ARIN 57 by preventing out-of-region justification for addresses from the Waitlist and other special pools.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom Fantacone</div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"><br></div><div class="zmail_extra" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">From: Eddie Stauble via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>To: <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2026 11:05:42 -0400<br>Subject: [arin-ppml] Seeking Comments - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px;" id="blockquote_zmail"><div class="zm_3499665940574480487_parse_112673860364620918" style=""><div class="x_288359665WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">As a reminder, this proposal is to modify the following text in Section 9:</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">At the time I made this proposal I was not aware that one could use out of region usage as needs demonstration to get a block from the waiting list.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">I do not believe that is right, and that the waiting list should only be used for in-region use.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">With input at ARIN 57 in Louisville, I think it is time to amend the proposal to exclude out of region usage to get IPv4 from the waiting list. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Here are a couple of options:</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in 0in 12pt;"><b><i><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 addresses from the transfer market. Any organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in.</span></i></b></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">Or, though a bit wordy, a bit more specific:</span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><b><i><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 addresses from the ARIN Waitlist (4.1.8), Micro-allocation pool (4.4) or Dedicated IPv4 Allocation to facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in.</span></i></b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">The first option is shorter, and does not specifically refer to ARIN reserve pools, which could change. The second option does not include the term “transfer market”. That term does not appear in the NRPM, and directly mentions the waiting list.</span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">Any input is appreciated!</span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; margin: 0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>_______________________________________________ <br>ARIN-PPML <br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to <br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a target="_blank" href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>). <br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: <br><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a> <br>Please contact <a target="_blank" href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues. <br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>