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Appreciate your comment - I wanted to share some background on the 50% usage suggestion as it was considered when I was still the shepherd of this policy. Ultimately, we determined that there were too many side effects from making that change. </div>
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<div role="presentation" style="direction: ltr;">Small company has subsidiaries or offices in foreign countries but is based in the US. 4 offices (US, LA, EU, ME) and wants a /24 for each. Numerically they have more foreign offices than domestic. A 50% threshold
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<div role="presentation" style="direction: ltr;">Large company operating in many RIR regions and has a reasonably large amount of space. However, under this policy if they wanted to add space (even by purchasing on the open market), if 50% of their space was
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In particular, example 2 is a significant change in policy application that would likely unintentionally impact existing mid-to-large customers, depending on the configuration of their operations. </div>
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Welcome your advocacy for that if you still feel it is warranted but thought it important to share the background that it was heard as a suggested change and was given due consideration.</div>
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<b>From: </b>ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> on behalf of Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 16, 2026 at 8:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>arin-ppml@arin.net <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Seeking Comments - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria<br>
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<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">The in-region usage should not be neither /22 or /24 but +50% of ARIN resources assigned to the organization, in line with other RIRs.</p>
<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">It does not make sense to get resources from ARIN and use most of it in other regions. If you have a bigger need in other region ask (or transfer) IPs in the region within the respective RIR.<br>
IP space is organized in Regional Internet Registers for a reason, to be used for the reality of that region, to develop the internet in the region. It doesn't make sense to take resources from one region and use completely in the other. Otherwise it is too
easy and flexible to choose the more flexible and cheap RIR but use resources in a different region.<br>
Policies that are developed and apply to those IP space are developed taking into consideration the reality of that region internet ecosystem.</p>
<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Using a smaller amount of that IP space for auxiliary proposes is accepts (an international link, a ARIN customer that also needs connectivity somewhere else in another region, etc). But not majority
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<p class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I think people need to learn how to live with fewer IP addresses and make the best usage of it.<br>
If majority of that assigned IP space is required in another region, then just transfer it.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2026 4:45 PM, Mohibul Mahmud wrote:</div>
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<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd" style="direction: ltr;">Thank you for starting this discussion.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd" style="direction: ltr;">I generally support the proposed change from a /22 to a /24 for the in-region usage requirement.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd" style="direction: ltr;">The current threshold seems too high for smaller organizations that may have legitimate operational needs extending outside the ARIN region, but do not have enough in-region utilization to meet a /22. Lowering
the requirement to a /24 appears to better reflect the reality that smaller operators can still have a real and valid connection to the ARIN region.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd" style="direction: ltr;">At the same time, I think the community should carefully consider safeguards against abuse. In particular, it would be helpful to clarify whether the existing “real and substantial connection” standard
is enough on its own, or whether additional guidance is needed for cases where out-of-region use significantly exceeds in-region use.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd" style="direction: ltr;">Overall, I think this proposal is addressing a real scale problem for smaller organizations, and I support moving the discussion forward.</p>
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Policy and Members Meetings, I am seeking to initiate and encourage some discussion on the
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria. This is in anticipation of getting some robust discussion on PPML and also
for engagement at the mic along during the meeting.</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 122, 153);"><u><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/" target="_blank" originalsrc="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/" data-outlook-id="be68d84a-a75b-477c-ac5d-1801aa603523" style="color: rgb(0, 122, 153);">ARIN-2025-3:
Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria</a></u></span></h3>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">The Problem:</span> Current ARIN policy allows IPv4 addresses to be used outside the ARIN service region if the organization is using an IPv4 /22 (or equivalent aggregate) within the ARIN service region. This draft policy
suggests the /22 requirement harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require some out of region use.</p>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">What It Does:</span> This draft policy reduces the in-region usage requirement from /22 to a /24.</p>
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<span style="font-weight: bolder;">The Impact:</span> This draft policy would allow usage of ARIN issued space outside of the ARIN region as long as the organization is using at least a /24 within the ARIN region.</p>
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In Summary: Updates Section 9 rules on using ARIN resources outside region.</div>
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<p class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);">- How much of an issue could this be? Does it matter to the community?</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);">- Should there be a requirement for the OOR use be not more/greater than the in-ARIN region use? </span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);">- Can this unfavorably impact companies having more growth OOR, and drive them to other RIRs and away from ARIN in
such instances?</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);">- Is there a probability for potential abuse via the Waitlist, and if so, should there be consideration for limitations
to the designated region use for 4.1.8. requests?</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);">- Is the "real and substantial connection" requirement in Section 9 be sufficient to prohibit or reduce the potential
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