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<p>The in-region usage should not be neither /22 or /24 but +50% of
ARIN resources assigned to the organization, in line with other
RIRs.</p>
<p>It does not make sense to get resources from ARIN and use most of
it in other regions. If you have a bigger need in other region ask
(or transfer) IPs in the region within the respective RIR.<br>
IP space is organized in Regional Internet Registers for a reason,
to be used for the reality of that region, to develop the internet
in the region. It doesn't make sense to take resources from one
region and use completely in the other. Otherwise it is too easy
and flexible to choose the more flexible and cheap RIR but use
resources in a different region.<br>
Policies that are developed and apply to those IP space are
developed taking into consideration the reality of that region
internet ecosystem.<br>
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<p>Using a smaller amount of that IP space for auxiliary proposes is
accepts (an international link, a ARIN customer that also needs
connectivity somewhere else in another region, etc). But not
majority of it.</p>
<p>I think people need to learn how to live with fewer IP addresses
and make the best usage of it.<br>
If majority of that assigned IP space is required in another
region, then just transfer it.</p>
<p>Fernando Frediani</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2026 4:45 PM, Mohibul Mahmud
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<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Hello Gerry,</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Thank you for starting this
discussion.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">I generally support the proposed
change from a /22 to a /24 for the in-region usage
requirement.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">The current threshold seems too
high for smaller organizations that may have legitimate
operational needs extending outside the ARIN region, but do
not have enough in-region utilization to meet a /22. Lowering
the requirement to a /24 appears to better reflect the reality
that smaller operators can still have a real and valid
connection to the ARIN region.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">At the same time, I think the
community should carefully consider safeguards against abuse.
In particular, it would be helpful to clarify whether the
existing “real and substantial connection” standard is enough
on its own, or whether additional guidance is needed for cases
where out-of-region use significantly exceeds in-region use.</p>
<p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Overall, I think this proposal is
addressing a real scale problem for smaller organizations, and
I support moving the discussion forward.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Mohibul Mahmud</p>
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<div>Hello PPML members,</div>
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<div>As we head to the ARIN 57 <span
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Policy and Members Meetings, I am seeking to initiate
and encourage some discussion on the </span>Draft
Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use
Minimum Criteria. This is in anticipation of getting
some robust discussion on PPML and also for engagement
at the mic along during the meeting.</div>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ARIN-2025-3:
Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria</a></h3>
<p
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style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">The
Problem:</strong><span> </span>Current ARIN policy
allows IPv4 addresses to be used outside the ARIN
service region if the organization is using an IPv4
/22 (or equivalent aggregate) within the ARIN service
region. This draft policy suggests the /22 requirement
harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22
in region but do require some out of region use.</p>
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<p
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style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">What
It Does:</strong><span> </span>This draft policy
reduces the in-region usage requirement from /22 to a
/24.</p>
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style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">The
Impact:</strong><span> </span>This draft policy
would allow usage of ARIN issued space outside of the
ARIN region as long as the organization is using at
least a /24 within the ARIN region.</p>
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<div>In Summary: Updates Section 9 rules on using ARIN
resources outside region.</div>
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<p style="margin:0px"><strong>Considerations</strong>:</p>
<p style="margin:0px">- How much of an issue could
this be? Does it matter to the community?</p>
<p style="margin:0px">- Should there be a
requirement for the OOR use be not more/greater
than the in-ARIN region use? </p>
<p style="margin:0px">- Can this unfavorably impact
companies having more growth OOR, and drive them
to other RIRs and away from ARIN in such
instances?</p>
<p style="margin:0px">- Is there a probability for
potential abuse via the Waitlist, and if so,
should there be consideration for limitations to
the designated region use for 4.1.8. requests?</p>
<p style="margin:0px">- Is the "real and substantial
connection" requirement in Section 9 be sufficient
to prohibit or reduce the potential for abuse?</p>
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<div>Here are some potential discussion questions:</div>
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<ul
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<li
style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">What problem is
this solving—abuse, ambiguity, or scale?</li>
<li
style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Does tightening
rules harm global operators?</li>
<li
style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">How should ARIN
balance regional stewardship vs. global Internet
reality?</li>
<li
style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Are there
measurable enforcement mechanisms?</li>
</ul>
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<div
style="margin:4px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Looking
forward to some robust discourse and to the
presentation and engagement next week at ARIN-57.<br>
<br>
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