<div dir="ltr"><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Hello Gerry,</p><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Thank you for starting this discussion.</p><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">I generally support the proposed change from a /22 to a /24 for the in-region usage requirement.</p><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">The current threshold seems too high for smaller organizations that may have legitimate operational needs extending outside the ARIN region, but do not have enough in-region utilization to meet a /22. Lowering the requirement to a /24 appears to better reflect the reality that smaller operators can still have a real and valid connection to the ARIN region.</p><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">At the same time, I think the community should carefully consider safeguards against abuse. In particular, it would be helpful to clarify whether the existing “real and substantial connection” standard is enough on its own, or whether additional guidance is needed for cases where out-of-region use significantly exceeds in-region use.</p><p class="gmail-isSelectedEnd">Overall, I think this proposal is addressing a real scale problem for smaller organizations, and I support moving the discussion forward.</p><p>Best regards,<br>Mohibul Mahmud</p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 1:26 PM Gerry E.. George <<a href="mailto:ggeorge@digisolv.com">ggeorge@digisolv.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Hello PPML members,</div><div><br></div><div>As we head to the ARIN 57 <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Public Policy and Members Meetings, I am seeking to initiate and encourage some discussion on the </span>Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria.  This is in anticipation of getting some robust discussion on PPML and also for engagement at the mic along during the meeting.</div><div><h3 id="m_-4910164885765884699arin-2025-3-change-section-9-out-of-region-use-minimum-criteria" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:1.3em;margin-bottom:0.5rem;font-weight:500;line-height:1.2;color:rgb(0,45,56);font-size:1.575rem;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,122,153);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria</a></h3><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><strong style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">The Problem:</strong><span> </span>Current ARIN policy allows IPv4 addresses to be used outside the ARIN service region if the organization is using an IPv4 /22 (or equivalent aggregate) within the ARIN service region. This draft policy suggests the /22 requirement harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require some out of region use.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><strong style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">What It Does:</strong><span> </span>This draft policy reduces the in-region usage requirement from /22 to a /24.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><strong style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">The Impact:</strong><span> </span>This draft policy would allow usage of ARIN issued space outside of the ARIN region as long as the organization is using at least a /24 within the ARIN region.</p></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In Summary: Updates Section 9 rules on using ARIN resources outside region.</div><div><div><div style="margin:4px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)"><br></div><div style="margin:4px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)"><p style="margin:0px"><strong>Considerations</strong>:</p><p style="margin:0px">- How much of an issue could this be?  Does it matter to the community?</p><p style="margin:0px">- Should there be a requirement for the OOR use be not more/greater than the in-ARIN region use?  </p><p style="margin:0px">- Can this unfavorably impact companies having more growth OOR, and drive them to other RIRs and away from ARIN in such instances?</p><p style="margin:0px">- Is there a probability for potential abuse via the Waitlist, and if so, should there be consideration for limitations to the designated region use for 4.1.8. requests?</p><p style="margin:0px">- Is the "real and substantial connection" requirement in Section 9 be sufficient to prohibit or reduce the potential for abuse?</p><p style="margin:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"></p><p style="margin:0px"><br></p></div></div></div><div>Here are some potential discussion questions:</div><div><ul style="margin:4px 0px 4px 24px;padding:0px;list-style-position:outside"><li style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">What problem is this solving—abuse, ambiguity, or scale?</li><li style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Does tightening rules harm global operators?</li><li style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">How should ARIN balance regional stewardship vs. global Internet reality?</li><li style="margin:2px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Are there measurable enforcement mechanisms?</li></ul><div style="margin:4px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)"><br></div><div style="margin:4px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Looking forward to some robust discourse and to the presentation and engagement next week at ARIN-57.<br><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp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