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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>+1 Full agreement, well stated.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Altie Jackson via ARIN-PPML<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2026 7:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gerry E.. George <ggeorge@digisolv.com>; ARIN PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net>; Mohibul Mahmud <mahmud.mohibul@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Seeking Comments - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I support lowering the in-region usage requirement from a /22 to a /24, arguing that the current threshold is too high for smaller organizations with legitimate needs outside the ARIN region. I see the proposal as addressing a real issue and support further discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Altie Jackson</span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Email:altiejackson@yahoo.com</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mobile:18763128390</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/altie-jackson/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/altie-jackson/</a></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydpc0761ec1yahoo_quoted_6741762399"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Thursday, April 16, 2026 at 02:45:37 PM GMT-5, Mohibul Mahmud <<a href="mailto:mahmud.mohibul@gmail.com">mahmud.mohibul@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483><div><div><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hello Gerry,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Thank you for starting this discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I generally support the proposed change from a /22 to a /24 for the in-region usage requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>The current threshold seems too high for smaller organizations that may have legitimate operational needs extending outside the ARIN region, but do not have enough in-region utilization to meet a /22. Lowering the requirement to a /24 appears to better reflect the reality that smaller operators can still have a real and valid connection to the ARIN region.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>At the same time, I think the community should carefully consider safeguards against abuse. In particular, it would be helpful to clarify whether the existing “real and substantial connection” standard is enough on its own, or whether additional guidance is needed for cases where out-of-region use significantly exceeds in-region use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483gmail-isselectedend><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Overall, I think this proposal is addressing a real scale problem for smaller organizations, and I support moving the discussion forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Best regards,<br>Mohibul Mahmud<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id=ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483yqt12079><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 1:26 PM Gerry E.. George <<a href="mailto:ggeorge@digisolv.com" target="_blank">ggeorge@digisolv.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hello PPML members,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As we head to the ARIN 57 </span><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333;background:white'>Public Policy and Members Meetings, I am seeking to initiate and encourage some discussion on the </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria. This is in anticipation of getting some robust discussion on PPML and also for engagement at the mic along during the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><h3 style='margin-top:15.6pt;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px' id="ydpc0761ec1yiv1003505483m_-4910164885765884699arin-2025-3-change-section-9-out-of-region-use-minimum-criteria"><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#002D38;font-weight:normal'><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#007A99'>ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></h3><p style='margin:0in;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'>The Problem:</span></strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'> Current ARIN policy allows IPv4 addresses to be used outside the ARIN service region if the organization is using an IPv4 /22 (or equivalent aggregate) within the ARIN service region. This draft policy suggests the /22 requirement harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require some out of region use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'>What It Does:</span></strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'> This draft policy reduces the in-region usage requirement from /22 to a /24.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;background:white;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'>The Impact:</span></strong><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'> This draft policy would allow usage of ARIN issued space outside of the ARIN region as long as the organization is using at least a /24 within the ARIN region.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In Summary: Updates Section 9 rules on using ARIN resources outside region.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-top:3.0pt;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:3.0pt;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>Considerations</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>- How much of an issue could this be? Does it matter to the community?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>- Should there be a requirement for the OOR use be not more/greater than the in-ARIN region use? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>- Can this unfavorably impact companies having more growth OOR, and drive them to other RIRs and away from ARIN in such instances?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>- Is there a probability for potential abuse via the Waitlist, and if so, should there be consideration for limitations to the designated region use for 4.1.8. requests?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>- Is the "real and substantial connection" requirement in Section 9 be sufficient to prohibit or reduce the potential for abuse?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Here are some potential discussion questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:1.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1D1C1D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>What problem is this solving—abuse, ambiguity, or scale?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:1.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1D1C1D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>Does tightening rules harm global operators?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:1.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1D1C1D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>How should ARIN balance regional stewardship vs. global Internet reality?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:1.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1D1C1D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>Are there measurable enforcement mechanisms?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-top:3.0pt;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:3.0pt;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>Looking forward to some robust discourse and to the presentation and engagement next week at ARIN-57.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Gerry E. 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