<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Eddie,</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Thank you for the detailed explanation and background on the factors that led to the initiation of this process and proposal.</div><div> It also provides helpful clarification and some insight regarding Matthew’s point:</div><div><br></div><div style="padding-left: 30px;" data-mce-style="padding-left: 30px;"><div>"<span style="caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" data-mce-style="caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Most of these recipients would much rather keep everything together in one ARIN account instead of having to go to another registry."</span> </div><div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Is the use of ‘most’ based on survey data or something else? To me, it seems important to determine whether or not there is a real quantified need. </div></div></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>And also the point raised by Eric is worthy of further discussion:</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="padding-left: 30px;" data-mce-style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">Should we rewrite the policy to allow any amount of out-of-region use so</span><br style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">long as it is less than or equal to in-region use? (Obviously the usual</span><br style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">needs-based rules also apply). </span></div><div style="padding-left: 30px;" data-mce-style="padding-left: 30px;"><br style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">Using more addresses/prefixes in-region than out-of-region seems like</span><br style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">sufficient evidence of "real and substantial connection with the ARIN</span><br style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14.16px; color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 14.16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #fafafa; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">region" and is far better than arbitrary length-based rules.</span></div><div style="padding-left: 30px;" data-mce-style="padding-left: 30px;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Let's keep the discussion going. </div><div> </div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__"><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><div data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span data-mce-style="color: #000080; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Gerry E. George</strong></span><br><span data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">ICT Consultant and Business Solutions Architect;</span></div><div data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Digi<em>Solv</em>, Inc.</strong> [P.O. Box 1677, Castries, Saint Lucia]</span> </div><div data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><hr data-mce-style="cursor: default;" style="cursor: default;"></div><div data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><strong>Mobile</strong>: (758) 728-4858 /<strong> Int'l Office</strong>: (347) 450-3444<span data-mce-style="color: #000000; 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Thank you.</span></b></i></div></div></div></div></div><br><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Eddie Stauble via ARIN-PPML" <arin-ppml@arin.net><br><b>To: </b>arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, March 18, 2026 12:12:19 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br></div><br>Sorry; I posted with the digest subject- first time poster!<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Eddie Stauble <eddie@sum.net> <br>Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2026 11:31 AM<br>To: arin-ppml@arin.net<br>Subject: RE: ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 249, Issue 16<br><br>I am the individual who made this proposal last year. I am an IPv4 broker<br>and run into this issue on average 2-3 times a year.<br><br>The reason I proposed this change is that I see the rule as discriminatory<br>against the little guy; an injustice that I thought should be easy enough to<br>remedy.<br><br>The typical case is a buyer who has an ARIN account with at least a /24 but<br>less than a /22. He needs addresses out of region. He cannot justify to<br>ARIN since he does not have a /22 in region, so he has to go elsewhere.<br><br>He would prefer to keep everything in ARIN, and does not want to sign up<br>with RIPE or APNIC, though sometimes he does. His best option, and what I<br>typically advise him to do, is to get a legacy block, usually from ARIN,<br>though sometimes from APNIC, and register it in RIPE, which will incur no<br>extra fees or dues. The irony is that RIPE requires him to demonstrate need<br>when a block comes from ARIN.<br><br>It does not matter to me personally whether the proposal is accepted; I sell<br>an IPv4 block either way. I could also make the argument that I stand to<br>gain more by selling an ARIN legacy block to a buyer registering it as<br>legacy in RIPE as it is more complicated and takes more time.<br><br>Before making this proposal, I wanted to research why a /22 was settled on,<br>but could not find anything definitive.<br>From my research, it looks like out of region needs demonstration was first<br>proposed by Terri Stumme in PROP 189 in May 2013, and was abandoned.<br>The Second attempt was by David Farmer in PROP 192 in January 2014 and was<br>abandoned. <br>The third attempt was proposed by Christian Tacit in PROP 219 in May 2015.<br>It became draft policy ARIN-2015-5, implemented July 2016. The AC Shepherds<br>were Tina Morris and David Huberman.<br><br>In looking back over the discussions of the proposals, there was a concern<br>before ARIN ran out of addresses in September of 2015, that foreign entities<br>would set up shell companies in the ARIN region, looking for free addresses.<br>Now that ARIN is out, that fear is no longer valid.<br><br>There was a fear of the additional expenses and complexity involved in<br>verifying out of region use. Since the policy has been in effect for almost<br>10 years, ARIN should be able to weigh in with an opinion. It would be<br>interesting to know whether ARIN ever denies out of region needs<br>demonstration due to the lack of a /22 in region.<br><br>There were also concerns expressed about unlimited openness to out of region<br>use. Strangely, there is a lower limit on in-region use, but there is no<br>upper limit to how much space can be used out of region, as long as you have<br>a /22 in region. Has this been a problem?<br><br>At the time I made the proposal I was not aware that one could use out of<br>region use as needs demonstration to get a block from the waiting list. I<br>do think that language should be added to prevent that, though probably<br>complicating the issue. <br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> On Behalf Of<br>arin-ppml-request@arin.net<br>Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2026 10:49 AM<br>To: arin-ppml@arin.net<br>Subject: ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 249, Issue 16<br><br>Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to<br> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> arin-ppml-request@arin.net<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> arin-ppml-owner@arin.net<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than<br>"Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3:<br> Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria (Matthew Cowen)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 14:49:09 +0000<br>From: Matthew Cowen <matthew@dgtlfutures.com><br>To: ARIN PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy<br> ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br>Message-ID: <AEEC2D5C-FC18-4216-87E2-74994B8B461F@dgtlfutures.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Mike, thank you for your response. I definately understand there are real<br>costs involved, especially for small businesses, and potential losses to<br>ARIN, so thanks for your example. However, my question still stands: is this<br>a perceived problem or a real one that is quantified and supported by data<br>in the ARIN community based on the statement that ?most of these<br>recipients?? and actual use OOR? Doing policy for policy's sake seems like a<br>waste of time. I have no stake either way, i just think its important to<br>clarify that statement.<br><br>Apologies, if I implied anything nefarious from the operators. That wasn?t<br>my intention. I mentioned my local case as an illustration.<br><br>On 18 Mar 2026, at 10:20, Mike Burns <mike@sum.net> wrote:<br><br>Hi Matthew,<br><br>That?s a reasonable question.<br><br>Considering the sizes at issue here, the costs of creating and maintaining<br>an account at a foreign registry can be a high fraction of the IPv4 purchase<br>cost, and so it would be unusual for any small ARIN account holder to prefer<br>the costs and burdens of multiple registry accounts.<br><br>The example examined the case of a small ARIN company requiring a /24 for<br>overseas use, and being forced to register that /24 at RIPE, whose initial<br>membership fee and ongoing fees for a /24 can quickly double the cost of<br>that /24 to that small ARIN company, to say nothing of the administrative<br>burdens or the loss of revenue to ARIN. This is an actual real example and<br>we were forced by the policy to address the user?s need in this expensive<br>manner. This policy would have avoided that.<br><br>It is actually not unusual for larger companies to have RIR accounts at<br>multiple registries and there is nothing nefarious about it.<br><br>Regards,<br>Mike<br><br><br>From: ARIN-PPML<br><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net>> On Behalf Of<br>Matthew Cowen via ARIN-PPML<br>Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2026 8:17 AM<br>To: ARIN PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>><br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy<br>ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br><br>Quick question. The ?At issue? statement says:<br><br>"Most of these recipients would much rather keep everything together in one<br>ARIN account instead of having to go to another registry."<br><br>Is the use of ?most? based on survey data or something else? To me, it seems<br>important to determine whether or not there is a real quantified need.<br><br>I?d support the overall idea of the policy (although not as currently<br>proposed), but I think it should be unambiguous with respect to who and how<br>many are demanding this, and also potential for abuse, as highlighted. There<br>is a local case with Orange Cara?bes, the caribbean entity of Orange France,<br>with a mish-mash of resources from ARIN/RIPE! Possibly other FWI/France<br>operators too.<br><br>On 17 Mar 2026, at 04:54, Gerry E.. George<br><ggeorge@digisolv.com<mailto:ggeorge@digisolv.com>> wrote:<br><br>Hello & Good day to PPML Community.<br><br>As assigned shepherds, Matthew Wilder & myself are seeking feedback &<br>comments on the current version of the Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change<br>Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria.<br><br>I have summarized the key points below, but the full policy can be accessed<br>here:<br>https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/<br><br><br>ARIN-prop-341 (ARIN-2025-3) - Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum<br>Criteria<br><br>In brief:<br>Section 9 of the NRPM, Out of Region Use, requires organizations to use at<br>least a /22 in the ARIN region before they can justify out of region use.<br>This harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do<br>require some out of region use.<br><br>Proposal:<br>Modify the following text in Section 9:<br><br> * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region.<br> * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region.<br><br><br>RESULT:<br>Out of region use of ARIN registered resources are valid justification for<br>additional number resources, provided that the applicant has a real and<br>substantial connection with the ARIN region which applicant must prove (as<br>described below) and is using the same type of resources (with a delegation<br>lineage back to an ARIN allocation or assignment) within the ARIN service<br>region as follows:<br><br> * IPv4: At least a /24 used in region<br> * IPv6: At least a /44 used in region<br> * ASN: At least one ASN present on one or more peering sessions and/or<br>routers within the region<br><br><br>At issue:<br>When a company needs address space outside of the ARIN region without at<br>least a /22 in region, they go to RIPE and acquire either PI or Legacy space<br>(the least expensive option), often acquiring the space from ARIN sources.<br>In the case of an inter-regional ARIN to RIPE transfer, RIPE does require<br>the recipient to demonstrate need, as required by ARIN. ARIN is losing<br>registration of the block and annual fees, as well as the recipient transfer<br>fee. Most of these recipients would much rather keep everything together in<br>one ARIN account instead of having to go to another registry.<br><br>While there are no material legal issues, it is anticipated that this change<br>in policy would significantly increase the volume of IPv4 waitlist requests<br>and could lead to an increase to staff ticket workload.<br><br>Because the policy requirements for an organization to justify an initial<br>/24 are generally straightforward to meet, it is expected that more<br>organizations may request a /24 primarily to qualify for additional<br>ARIN-issued IPv4 addresses for out-of-region use. It is expected that this<br>would result in more ARIN IPv4 space being used out of region.<br><br>Concern regarding possible abuse of the reduced requirement in order to<br>obtain ARIN resources, particularly for blocks larger than the minimum (/24)<br>for OOR use.<br><br><br>Considerations:<br>- How much of an issue could this be? Does it matter to the community?<br>- Should there be a requirement for the OOR use be not more/greater than the<br>in-ARIN region use?<br>- Can this unfavorably impact companies having more growth OOR, and drive<br>them to other RIRs and away from ARIN in such instances?<br>- Is there a probability for potential abuse via the Waitlist, and if so,<br>should there be consideration for limitations to the designated region use<br>for 4.1.8. requests?<br>- Is the "real and substantial connection" requirement in Section 9 be<br>sufficient to prohibit or reduce the potential for abuse?<br><br><br>Questions:<br>Are you in support of the policy?<br><br>Are there any additional issues which should be considered?<br><br>Should the AC continue working on the policy as written?<br><br><br>And remember, the ARIN public policy process runs on positive consensus not<br>silent assent, so please weigh in. We look forward to your engagement.<br><br><br>Thanks.<br><br>Gerry E. 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