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<p>I tend to go in this same direction.</p>
<p>Although I see where those willing it come from it remains a
corner case and probably for a minority which still for these
cases there are easy ways. It is understandable that some people
that are more technical like the idea to have their own ASN for
different proposes and maybe not very much for business usages, it
still seems a significant usage of resources for little benefit at
the present.<br>
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<p>I don't think this has to do with "discrimination" or anything
like that, but simply being a bit pragmatic in making choices on
what is worth and what is not. I don't feel very strong either.</p>
<p>Fernando</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/2025 4:35 PM, Richard Laager
via ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">From what I understand, one major
issue here is that allowing individuals to obtain resources
directly from ARIN makes ARIN a B2C (business to consumer)
business, rather than a purely B2B (business to business)
business. This may (will?) trigger all sorts of additional legal
complexity for ARIN, which means more lawyers, which means more
cost.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Natural persons with ARIN resources
feels like a pretty corner case thing to me. I doubt that this
additional legal/regulatory complexity is worth the benefit.
That said, I don't feel particularly strongly nor do I have a
good handle on how many people would benefit vs what the actual
costs are. That's what we have the ARIN Board for.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-07-11 14:22, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:hostmaster@uneedus.com" moz-do-not-send="true">hostmaster@uneedus.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:alpine.LRH.2.21.2507111452060.372@bigone.uneedus.com">You
are assuming that: <br>
<br>
1) Individuals have no right to obtain resources; or <br>
<br>
2) That It is in fact possible in all possible States or Nations
to REGISTER a sole proprietor. <br>
<br>
As a resident of the many US States that DOES NOT "Register"
businesses, who operate under their legal name, and in fact has
provided NO WAY under its laws to do so, I think your suggestion
to "Please abandon this policy" is wrong. <br>
<br>
Fictitious Name registrations in my state are NOT permitted of
those attempting to register their actual name as a fictitious
name. The entity registering a "Fictitious name" MUST be
different than the fictitious name itself, and in fact the State
registration system enforces this. <br>
<br>
One might obtain a "Business Tax Receipt", formally called a
"Occupational License", but those that are simply using
resources for their own personal use such as for internet access
are not "doing business" and are not required to do so. Also,
"doing business" triggers things like zoning for the proposed
business, which is not required if one simply wanted to obtain
resources from ARIN. <br>
<br>
As pointed out, most RIR's, including even the predecessor of
ARIN allowed individuals to register for resources, and I know
that there are still some living persons today that still hold
such resources issued prior to ARIN. <br>
<br>
I think it is wrong tor ARIN to insist on Corporations or LLCs
as a condition to receive resources. Especially if the person
in fact is personally using the resources, rather than using
them in a business. <br>
<br>
Albert Erdmann <br>
Network Administrator <br>
Paradise On Line Inc. <br>
<br>
Thus, if this process is abandoned, you will force those in my
State to <br>
<br>
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, Noah wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Please abandon this policy. <br>
<br>
Individuals should register a legally recognized sole
proprietor or SME and <br>
get INR through the process that has stood a taste of time. <br>
<br>
Let us resist the need to reduce Regional Internet Registries
to this level <br>
of dealing with individuals. <br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
./noah <br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, 2:27 am Elizabeth Goodson, <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com></a>
wrote: <br>
Hello PPML, <br>
I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're
seeking <br>
direction from the community as to how the AC should
proceed <br>
with this policy. There was robust conversation on PPML
in late <br>
May and early June, which tapered off quickly after the
ARIN <br>
Staff and Legal analysis was published. <br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-revi"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-revi</a>
<br>
ew-3-june-2025 <br>
<br>
Should we <br>
- abandon this policy, <br>
- accept this policy as written, or <br>
- continue to revise this policy? <br>
<br>
We appreciate your feedback. <br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
Liz Goodson <br>
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