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Thanks, Matt. I think it’s fair to say that a technically capable individual who operates a real, justified network—even if it’s small and not commercially driven—poses minimal risk to the global routing system, especially under current ARIN policies that already require resource justification and accountability. That said, policy needs to balance inclusivity with safeguards against speculative requests or identity obfuscation, which could increase the complexity of ARIN’s governance and enforcement. By drawing a clear line between "hobbyist" and "operator" based on intent and routing visibility—not legal entity status—we can support legitimate individual participation without undermining stewardship of the number resource pool.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Best,</div><div dir="ltr">Ben </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#888888"><div><span><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>BEN SHAPIRO<br></b></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">President | Willamette Internet Exchange </div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="mailto:president@thewix.net" target="_blank">president@thewix.net</a> | (541) 255-0280</div></div></div></span></div></font></div></div></div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On May 30, 2025 at 11:40:33 AM, Matt Erculiani <<a href="mailto:merculiani@gmail.com">merculiani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div dir="auto">I’ll double down. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What threat does a hobbyist pose to the global routing or Internet numbers systems?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Presumably someone going through this process isn’t your average home-labber; what’s the harm in them having a block of their own unique IPv6 if they pay the bill on-time? There are plenty of tunnel services that make this a viable option these days.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m prepared to be eaten alive for the suggestion.<br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Matt Erculiani<br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 12:30 Tyler O'Meara via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi Ben,<br>
<br>
I don't think a categorical exclusion for "hobbyists" (whatever that actually<br>
means in practice) is necessary or useful. The relevant sections for resource<br>
justifications already require operating an actual network, so someone (or<br>
organization) who wanted to come in and get IP addresses without running a<br>
network would already be excluded. I suppose theoretically they could request a<br>
single ASN, but if they're not planning on actually running a network that ASN<br>
is worthless to them anyways. <br>
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I'll also note that not all valid use cases for acquiring resources necessitate<br>
participating in global routing, although I doubt those use cases are<br>
particularly relevant to natural persons. We should be careful not to<br>
accidentally remove these use cases however.<br>
<br>
Tyler<br>
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On Fri, 2025-05-30 at 11:12 -0700, Ben Shapiro wrote:<br>
> Thank you David, for the thoughtful revisions and to ARIN staff for<br>
> progressing this discussion.<br>
> <br>
> As someone involved in the operation of a small-to-medium Internet Exchange<br>
> Point (IXP), I’d like to offer a complementary perspective from the<br>
> interconnection and community network operator ecosystem.<br>
> <br>
> IXPs—particularly regional, volunteer-run, or lightly incorporated<br>
> ones—frequently interface with a range of participants, including small ISPs,<br>
> research networks, community fiber projects, and technically capable<br>
> individuals who operate networks that meaningfully contribute to regional<br>
> interconnection and resiliency. Some of these operators do not have formal<br>
> corporate structures, yet they are deeply engaged in the technical and<br>
> operational requirements of network management and peering. From our vantage<br>
> point, the exclusion of natural persons from eligibility can pose an<br>
> artificial barrier that does not align with real-world routing and<br>
> interconnection practices.<br>
> <br>
> While I agree with David that natural persons operating legal businesses<br>
> should unquestionably be considered valid organizations, I also see<br>
> operational value in supporting natural persons who:<br>
> <br>
> * Operate autonomous systems used in peering environments;<br>
> * Maintain IPv6 prefixes with global routing visibility;<br>
> * Support last-mile, experimental, or community-focused efforts.<br>
> <br>
> Such actors are already required to justify their needs under existing ARIN<br>
> policies. Adding verification of identity and residency, as the draft<br>
> suggests, provides accountability without unduly excluding legitimate network<br>
> operators who do not or cannot register as a business.<br>
> <br>
> From the IXP perspective, clarity is important. I support revising the policy<br>
> language to explicitly differentiate:<br>
> <br>
> 1. Hobbyists with no operational network or intent to participate in global<br>
> routing (not eligible),<br>
> 2. Natural persons operating a routable, justified network (eligible), and<br>
> 3. Natural persons operating a legal business (clearly eligible).<br>
> <br>
> A possible refinement might be:<br>
> <br>
> > An organization is a company, corporation, partnership, sole proprietorship,<br>
> > government agency, non-profit entity, educational institution, or natural<br>
> > person who operates a network consistent with ARIN’s resource justification<br>
> > requirements and, where applicable, provides verification of identity and<br>
> > residency. A natural person solely acting as a hobbyist is not considered an<br>
> > organization.<br>
> <br>
> This language allows for policy consistency while acknowledging that technical<br>
> legitimacy can come in many forms.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for the opportunity to comment. I support further refinement of this<br>
> proposal and appreciate ARIN’s responsiveness to community input.<br>
> <br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Ben<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> BEN SHAPIRO<br>
> President | Willamette Internet Exchange <br>
> <a href="mailto:president@thewix.net" target="_blank">president@thewix.net</a> | (541) 255-0280<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On May 30, 2025 at 10:59:00 AM, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML<br>
> <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > <br>
> > I do not support the policy as written. As written, it is unclear whether<br>
> > natural persons not conducting business and acting solely as hobbyists are<br>
> > excluded. However, natural persons operating businesses in their own name<br>
> > should be considered valid organizations.<br>
> > <br>
> > Organizations must; <br>
> > 1. Operate as legal businesses within the ARIN service region.<br>
> > 2. Operate a network within the ARIN service region with Internet number<br>
> > resources allocated by or registered with ARIN.<br>
> > 3. Meet other policy or eligibility criteria.<br>
> > From a policy perspective, the first two are fundamental criteria that must<br>
> > be included in the definition of an organization.<br>
> > <br>
> > I suggest the following revision to the policy text;<br>
> > <br>
> > > 2.x Organization<br>
> > <br>
> > > An organization is a company, corporation, partnership, sole<br>
> > > proprietorship, government agency, non-profit entity, educational<br>
> > > institution, or natural person operating as a legal business within the<br>
> > > ARIN service region. It must also operate a network within the ARIN<br>
> > > service region with Internet number resources allocated by or registered<br>
> > > with ARIN and meet other policy or eligibility criteria.<br>
> > <br>
> > I also want to point out the recent blog post by ARIN Staff about this<br>
> > subject.<br>
> > <a href="https://www.arin.net/blog/2025/05/28/individual-requests/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/blog/2025/05/28/individual-requests/</a><br>
> > <br>
> > Thanks.<br>
> > <br>
> > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 12:33 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > On 15 May 2025, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-343:<br>
> > > Resource Issuance to Natural Persons as Draft Policy. <br>
> > > <br>
> > > Draft Policy ARIN-2025-4 is below and can be found at:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4</a><br>
> > > <br>
> > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will<br>
> > > evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this draft policy<br>
> > > with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the<br>
> > > Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
> > > * Technically Sound<br>
> > > * Supported by the Community<br>
> > > <br>
> > > The PDP can be found at:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><br>
> > > <br>
> > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><br>
> > > <br>
> > > Regards,<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Eddie Diego<br>
> > > Policy Analyst<br>
> > > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > Draft Policy ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Problem Statement:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > ARIN policies currently restrict the issuance of number resources to<br>
> > > organizations. This limits access for individuals who are running networks<br>
> > > under their own legal name, especially in regions where forming or<br>
> > > registering a business is not required or feasible. Other RIRs such as<br>
> > > RIPE NCC allow individuals to receive resources directly. ARIN should<br>
> > > consider similar flexibility to ensure equal and consistent access to<br>
> > > Internet number resources for all operators, regardless of legal<br>
> > > structure.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Policy Statement:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > This proposal introduces explicit policy text into the NRPM to allow<br>
> > > number resource issuance to natural persons (individuals) who provide<br>
> > > valid justification and identity verification.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Amend NRPM Section 2 to add the following definition:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > 2.18 Organization<br>
> > > <br>
> > > An organization is a company, corporation, partnership, sole<br>
> > > proprietorship, government agency, non-profit entity, educational<br>
> > > institution, or a natural person acting in a capacity consistent with<br>
> > > operating a network and who meets ARIN’s resource eligibility criteria.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Comments:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Sections 4.2, 5.1, and 6.5 shall be interpreted to allow “organizations”<br>
> > > as newly defined in Section 2.12, thereby including individuals where<br>
> > > appropriate.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Staff may develop identity verification and residency requirements<br>
> > > appropriate to individuals (e.g., government-issued photo ID and proof of<br>
> > > address).<br>
> > > <br>
> > > All resource justification, utilization, and RSA signing requirements<br>
> > > remain unchanged.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > There has been extensive discussion of this topic on the ARIN Public<br>
> > > Policy Mailing List (PPML) in April 2025. Participants have cited<br>
> > > inconsistencies and barriers created by reliance on state-level business<br>
> > > registries, and called for more inclusive eligibility mechanisms similar<br>
> > > to other RIR regions. The proposal addresses these concerns while<br>
> > > maintaining accountability and justification requirements.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Timetable for implementation:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Recommend implementation within 3–6 months of ratification to allow ARIN<br>
> > > staff and legal counsel to develop supporting processes.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Anything else:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > This proposal does not reduce the level of justification required to<br>
> > > obtain resources, but merely expands eligibility to natural persons who<br>
> > > operate networks and meet all existing technical and usage criteria.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
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