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    <p>I am on this for a couple of years and still often hear
      colleagues talking about the reasons for low participation on
      Policy Forums. Some blame some discussions are discouraging while
      other mention email list format.<br>
    </p>
    <p>One thing to take in consideration is that these topics are not
      trivial and requires a minimal amount of time and patience
      dedicated to read, understand and write.<br>
      I see that those who don't participate is simply because they
      don't want or don't consider this topic of any priority in their
      lives and don't put up the necessary time.</p>
    <p>I think mailing-list continues to be the best method for the
      discussions to happen as it is well established for decades,
      everything gets recorded on both list archives and people's
      mailboxes and keeps an organized record of everything that has
      happened to be easily consulted over time. <br>
      Gen Z and Millennials in general often is seen to resist to email
      and wish to use messaging applications that not only make records
      go missing quiet easily but also reduce the quality of the
      discussion and taking off it important details.</p>
    <p>Best regards<br>
      Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/10/2024 13:44, Andrew Dul via
      ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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      <p>In addition to the ability of the community to engage with each
        other at the public policy meetings, the community has the
        opportunity to engage with each other in this forum "the
        PPML."   </p>
      <p>While this forum is open to all who wish to participate, over
        the years my observation is that the number of people who
        participate interactively in this forum appears to decline and I
        hear from various members of the community that they do not
        participate in the written PPML forum for a number of reasons.  </p>
      <p>We often see the AC shepherds prodding for input only to often
        see no replies or replies from the same dozen or so
        participants.  This community is much larger than those
        participants.  Over the years, it appears the use of mailing
        lists has become less comfortable for some community
        participants.  While I understand some of those reasons the fact
        remains that we are are here to do the public work of developing
        IP number resource policy and that policy should be carried out
        in public.  If a mailing-list isn't the right method to carry
        out this public work, then we must figure out what is the right
        way to continue this work so that IP number resource policy
        which is developed for the Internet community in the ARIN region
        is open and reflective of the Internet community that ARIN
        represents.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Andrew</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/24 11:14 AM, Lee Howard via
        ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Top-posting because that's
            how email has worked for the last 20 years :-(</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There are three kinds of
            meetings required in the ARIN Bylaws [1]:</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Public Policy <i>and </i>Members
            Meetings (biannual)</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Annual Meeting (annual)</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A strong delineation
            between meetings is not the only way to achieve their
            objectives. But we must prioritize the core objectives. All
            of the laudable big tent objectives are secondary.</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In my experience, largely
            supported by the hallway track, people don't travel
            thousands of miles to ARIN Public Policy and Members
            meetings to hear department reports and updates from
            external agencies. We travel because we can get more
            conversation about proposals done in person than in months
            of PPML. It would be great to hear from others on why they
            come: respond to the <a
              href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ARIN54" class=""
              moz-do-not-send="true">meeting survey</a>! And/or, join
            this conversation!</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Again, that is not to say
            that I'm not interested in the work on ICP-2 or RPKI or ARIN
            Online developments: quite the opposite! But I read the
            mission statement as a prioritized list:</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">1.
                ARIN supports the operation of the Internet through the
                management of Internet number resources throughout its
                service region; </span></span></div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">2.
                coordinates the development of policies by the community
                for the management of Internet Protocol number
                resources; and </span></span></div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">3.
                advances the Internet through informational outreach. </span></span></div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">ARIN
                will continue to utilize an open, transparent
                multi-stakeholder process for registry policy
                development. [2]</span></span><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The fact that Hollis and
            Bill managed the afternoon to get us through the other ten
            proposals is amazing. At lunch, we had been through two of
            twelve proposals. Based on that rate of progression, nobody
            thought we would get through the rest of the draft
            proposals, and this was a hot topic in the hallway. So I
            disagree with you that it was not an issue: it was a clear
            issue, and Hollis and Bill were able to pull us through. </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This isn't the first time
            we've been tight for time on public policy discussion; I
            seem to recall occasions where we had to move discussion to
            the list. That almost happened this time, and I think "How
            we use attendees' time" especially with regard to public
            policy is a significant enough issue to bring it to PPML. If
            I'm alone among the community in this concern, I'll settle
            down.</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks again, and always,
            for an excellent meeting and for facilitating robust
            discussion of issues that are important to the community.</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Lee</div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[1] "<span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">ARIN
                will hold Public Policy and Members Meetings biannually
                and in person when possible. ARIN’s Annual Meeting is
                held annually and may coincide with an ARIN Public
                Policy and Members Meeting. " </span></span><a
              href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
              rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
              class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/</a> </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Excluding Bylaws about
            Board and AC meetings.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[2] <a
              href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
              rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/</a>,
            Article II, Section 2</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div><br>
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            <div> On Friday, October 25, 2024 at 10:53:21 AM EDT, John
              Curran <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><jcurran@arin.net></a>
              wrote: </div>
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                        <div>On Oct 24, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Lee Howard via
                          ARIN-PPML <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                            href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a>
                          wrote:</div>
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                              <div dir="ltr">In the spirit of offering
                                constructive feedback, I would like to
                                describe what I would like to see at
                                ARIN Public Policy meetings.</div>
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                              </div>
                              <div dir="ltr">Broadly, the purpose of the
                                Public Policy Meetings is to discuss
                                policy and policy proposals. The purpose
                                of the Members Meeting is to provide the
                                Members with information about the
                                operation of the organization,
                                especially as it will help guide
                                governance, including elections.</div>
                            </div>
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                              <div dir="ltr">I think this organization
                                will better align the work in each
                                meeting with the purpose of the
                                meeting. </div>
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                      <div>Lee -</div>
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                      <div>Thanks for sending this! I also noted your
                        comment at the microphone that we should never
                        shortchange public policy discussions at these
                        meetings—a view that I strongly agree with (and
                        observed that, thanks to Hollis and Chair
                        Sandiford’s excellent moderation, this was not
                        an issue yesterday).</div>
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                    <div>
                      <div>As you are aware, we tended to have a
                        stronger delineation between the Public Policy
                        Meeting and the Members Meeting in the past, and
                        it is true that we could organize that way in
                        the future.
</div>
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                      <div>However, I believe there are a few factors to
                        consider before we commit to a strict
                        delineation – </div>
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                          <li>In recent years, we’ve been able to
                            “expand the tent” of ARIN members; in other
                            words, members are no longer limited to ISPs
                            and large organizations. Due to changes in
                            membership structure, nearly every customer
                            is now an ARIN member. As such, those
                            participating in our public policy
                            discussions are largely ARIN
                            members—individuals from organizations that
                            pay fees to support ARIN, receive services
                            from ARIN, and can (if they wish) become
                            general members and participate in ARIN’s
                            governance.
</li>
                          <li>We are also in an era where ARIN is
                            engaged in many activities beyond just
                            number resource policy, which have the
                            potential for significant implications for
                            all of ARIN’s customers. For example, topics
                            such as the evolution and deployment of RPKI
                            services, the current ICP-2 update
                            activities, and our cybersecurity efforts
                            are not public policy per se, but they have
                            equally significant potential impacts on
                            ARIN’s customers. As such, these topics
                            deserve to be informed by feedback from our
                            entire customer community.</li>
                          <li>Finally, I note that ARIN is committed to
                            capacity development within the ARIN
                            community—i.e., we aim to improve the
                            knowledge and experience of our entire
                            community. Over time, this has proven to
                            help grow our pool of volunteers who advance
                            to important roles such as the ARIN AC, the
                            ASO AC, and the ARIN Board of Trustees.
                             Those participating in our meetings
                            presently gain broad exposure to all aspects
                            of ARIN – not just number resource policy
                            development – and I do worry that a strict
                            delineation of the Public Policy Meeting and
                            the Members Meeting could hinder an
                            important element of cross-pollination that
                            has historically bolstered leadership
                            development from within ARIN’s community. </li>
                        </ol>
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                      <div>To be clear, I am not saying that a clear
                        distinction between the two aspects of the
                        meeting is no possible, but rather that there
                        are potential downsides that should be
                        considered and balanced against any benefits we
                        hope to achieve by such delineation.</div>
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                    <div>Thanks!</div>
                    <div>/John</div>
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                    <div>
                      <div>John Curran</div>
                      <div>President and CEO</div>
                      <div>American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
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