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<p>I am on this for a couple of years and still often hear
colleagues talking about the reasons for low participation on
Policy Forums. Some blame some discussions are discouraging while
other mention email list format.<br>
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<p>One thing to take in consideration is that these topics are not
trivial and requires a minimal amount of time and patience
dedicated to read, understand and write.<br>
I see that those who don't participate is simply because they
don't want or don't consider this topic of any priority in their
lives and don't put up the necessary time.</p>
<p>I think mailing-list continues to be the best method for the
discussions to happen as it is well established for decades,
everything gets recorded on both list archives and people's
mailboxes and keeps an organized record of everything that has
happened to be easily consulted over time. <br>
Gen Z and Millennials in general often is seen to resist to email
and wish to use messaging applications that not only make records
go missing quiet easily but also reduce the quality of the
discussion and taking off it important details.</p>
<p>Best regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/10/2024 13:44, Andrew Dul via
ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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<p>In addition to the ability of the community to engage with each
other at the public policy meetings, the community has the
opportunity to engage with each other in this forum "the
PPML." </p>
<p>While this forum is open to all who wish to participate, over
the years my observation is that the number of people who
participate interactively in this forum appears to decline and I
hear from various members of the community that they do not
participate in the written PPML forum for a number of reasons. </p>
<p>We often see the AC shepherds prodding for input only to often
see no replies or replies from the same dozen or so
participants. This community is much larger than those
participants. Over the years, it appears the use of mailing
lists has become less comfortable for some community
participants. While I understand some of those reasons the fact
remains that we are are here to do the public work of developing
IP number resource policy and that policy should be carried out
in public. If a mailing-list isn't the right method to carry
out this public work, then we must figure out what is the right
way to continue this work so that IP number resource policy
which is developed for the Internet community in the ARIN region
is open and reflective of the Internet community that ARIN
represents.<br>
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<p>Andrew</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/24 11:14 AM, Lee Howard via
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Top-posting because that's
how email has worked for the last 20 years :-(</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There are three kinds of
meetings required in the ARIN Bylaws [1]:</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Public Policy <i>and </i>Members
Meetings (biannual)</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Annual Meeting (annual)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A strong delineation
between meetings is not the only way to achieve their
objectives. But we must prioritize the core objectives. All
of the laudable big tent objectives are secondary.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In my experience, largely
supported by the hallway track, people don't travel
thousands of miles to ARIN Public Policy and Members
meetings to hear department reports and updates from
external agencies. We travel because we can get more
conversation about proposals done in person than in months
of PPML. It would be great to hear from others on why they
come: respond to the <a
href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ARIN54" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">meeting survey</a>! And/or, join
this conversation!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Again, that is not to say
that I'm not interested in the work on ICP-2 or RPKI or ARIN
Online developments: quite the opposite! But I read the
mission statement as a prioritized list:</div>
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ARIN supports the operation of the Internet through the
management of Internet number resources throughout its
service region; </span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">2.
coordinates the development of policies by the community
for the management of Internet Protocol number
resources; and </span></span></div>
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">3.
advances the Internet through informational outreach. </span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">ARIN
will continue to utilize an open, transparent
multi-stakeholder process for registry policy
development. [2]</span></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The fact that Hollis and
Bill managed the afternoon to get us through the other ten
proposals is amazing. At lunch, we had been through two of
twelve proposals. Based on that rate of progression, nobody
thought we would get through the rest of the draft
proposals, and this was a hot topic in the hallway. So I
disagree with you that it was not an issue: it was a clear
issue, and Hollis and Bill were able to pull us through. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This isn't the first time
we've been tight for time on public policy discussion; I
seem to recall occasions where we had to move discussion to
the list. That almost happened this time, and I think "How
we use attendees' time" especially with regard to public
policy is a significant enough issue to bring it to PPML. If
I'm alone among the community in this concern, I'll settle
down.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks again, and always,
for an excellent meeting and for facilitating robust
discussion of issues that are important to the community.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Lee</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[1] "<span><span
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will hold Public Policy and Members Meetings biannually
and in person when possible. ARIN’s Annual Meeting is
held annually and may coincide with an ARIN Public
Policy and Members Meeting. " </span></span><a
href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Excluding Bylaws about
Board and AC meetings.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[2] <a
href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/</a>,
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constructive feedback, I would like to
describe what I would like to see at
ARIN Public Policy meetings.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Broadly, the purpose of the
Public Policy Meetings is to discuss
policy and policy proposals. The purpose
of the Members Meeting is to provide the
Members with information about the
operation of the organization,
especially as it will help guide
governance, including elections.</div>
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will better align the work in each
meeting with the purpose of the
meeting. </div>
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<div>Thanks for sending this! I also noted your
comment at the microphone that we should never
shortchange public policy discussions at these
meetings—a view that I strongly agree with (and
observed that, thanks to Hollis and Chair
Sandiford’s excellent moderation, this was not
an issue yesterday).</div>
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<div>As you are aware, we tended to have a
stronger delineation between the Public Policy
Meeting and the Members Meeting in the past, and
it is true that we could organize that way in
the future.
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<div>However, I believe there are a few factors to
consider before we commit to a strict
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<li>In recent years, we’ve been able to
“expand the tent” of ARIN members; in other
words, members are no longer limited to ISPs
and large organizations. Due to changes in
membership structure, nearly every customer
is now an ARIN member. As such, those
participating in our public policy
discussions are largely ARIN
members—individuals from organizations that
pay fees to support ARIN, receive services
from ARIN, and can (if they wish) become
general members and participate in ARIN’s
governance.
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<li>We are also in an era where ARIN is
engaged in many activities beyond just
number resource policy, which have the
potential for significant implications for
all of ARIN’s customers. For example, topics
such as the evolution and deployment of RPKI
services, the current ICP-2 update
activities, and our cybersecurity efforts
are not public policy per se, but they have
equally significant potential impacts on
ARIN’s customers. As such, these topics
deserve to be informed by feedback from our
entire customer community.</li>
<li>Finally, I note that ARIN is committed to
capacity development within the ARIN
community—i.e., we aim to improve the
knowledge and experience of our entire
community. Over time, this has proven to
help grow our pool of volunteers who advance
to important roles such as the ARIN AC, the
ASO AC, and the ARIN Board of Trustees.
Those participating in our meetings
presently gain broad exposure to all aspects
of ARIN – not just number resource policy
development – and I do worry that a strict
delineation of the Public Policy Meeting and
the Members Meeting could hinder an
important element of cross-pollination that
has historically bolstered leadership
development from within ARIN’s community. </li>
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<div>To be clear, I am not saying that a clear
distinction between the two aspects of the
meeting is no possible, but rather that there
are potential downsides that should be
considered and balanced against any benefits we
hope to achieve by such delineation.</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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