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<p>In addition to the ability of the community to engage with each
other at the public policy meetings, the community has the
opportunity to engage with each other in this forum "the PPML." </p>
<p>While this forum is open to all who wish to participate, over the
years my observation is that the number of people who participate
interactively in this forum appears to decline and I hear from
various members of the community that they do not participate in
the written PPML forum for a number of reasons. </p>
<p>We often see the AC shepherds prodding for input only to often
see no replies or replies from the same dozen or so participants.
This community is much larger than those participants. Over the
years, it appears the use of mailing lists has become less
comfortable for some community participants. While I understand
some of those reasons the fact remains that we are are here to do
the public work of developing IP number resource policy and that
policy should be carried out in public. If a mailing-list isn't
the right method to carry out this public work, then we must
figure out what is the right way to continue this work so that IP
number resource policy which is developed for the Internet
community in the ARIN region is open and reflective of the
Internet community that ARIN represents.<br>
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<p>Andrew</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/24 11:14 AM, Lee Howard via
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Top-posting because that's
how email has worked for the last 20 years :-(</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There are three kinds of
meetings required in the ARIN Bylaws [1]:</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Public Policy <i>and </i>Members
Meetings (biannual)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A strong delineation between
meetings is not the only way to achieve their objectives. But
we must prioritize the core objectives. All of the laudable
big tent objectives are secondary.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In my experience, largely
supported by the hallway track, people don't travel thousands
of miles to ARIN Public Policy and Members meetings to hear
department reports and updates from external agencies. We
travel because we can get more conversation about proposals
done in person than in months of PPML. It would be great to
hear from others on why they come: respond to the <a
href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ARIN54" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">meeting survey</a>! And/or, join this
conversation!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Again, that is not to say
that I'm not interested in the work on ICP-2 or RPKI or ARIN
Online developments: quite the opposite! But I read the
mission statement as a prioritized list:</div>
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ARIN supports the operation of the Internet through the
management of Internet number resources throughout its
service region; </span></span></div>
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coordinates the development of policies by the community
for the management of Internet Protocol number resources;
and </span></span></div>
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advances the Internet through informational outreach. </span></span></div>
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will continue to utilize an open, transparent
multi-stakeholder process for registry policy development.
[2]</span></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The fact that Hollis and Bill
managed the afternoon to get us through the other ten
proposals is amazing. At lunch, we had been through two of
twelve proposals. Based on that rate of progression, nobody
thought we would get through the rest of the draft proposals,
and this was a hot topic in the hallway. So I disagree with
you that it was not an issue: it was a clear issue, and Hollis
and Bill were able to pull us through. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This isn't the first time
we've been tight for time on public policy discussion; I seem
to recall occasions where we had to move discussion to the
list. That almost happened this time, and I think "How we use
attendees' time" especially with regard to public policy is a
significant enough issue to bring it to PPML. If I'm alone
among the community in this concern, I'll settle down.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks again, and always, for
an excellent meeting and for facilitating robust discussion of
issues that are important to the community.</div>
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will hold Public Policy and Members Meetings biannually
and in person when possible. ARIN’s Annual Meeting is held
annually and may coincide with an ARIN Public Policy and
Members Meeting. " </span></span><a
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<div dir="ltr">Broadly, the purpose of the
Public Policy Meetings is to discuss
policy and policy proposals. The purpose
of the Members Meeting is to provide the
Members with information about the
operation of the organization, especially
as it will help guide governance,
including elections.</div>
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<div>Thanks for sending this! I also noted your
comment at the microphone that we should never
shortchange public policy discussions at these
meetings—a view that I strongly agree with (and
observed that, thanks to Hollis and Chair
Sandiford’s excellent moderation, this was not an
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<div>As you are aware, we tended to have a stronger
delineation between the Public Policy Meeting and
the Members Meeting in the past, and it is true
that we could organize that way in the future.
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<div>However, I believe there are a few factors to
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<li>In recent years, we’ve been able to “expand
the tent” of ARIN members; in other words,
members are no longer limited to ISPs and
large organizations. Due to changes in
membership structure, nearly every customer is
now an ARIN member. As such, those
participating in our public policy discussions
are largely ARIN members—individuals from
organizations that pay fees to support ARIN,
receive services from ARIN, and can (if they
wish) become general members and participate
in ARIN’s governance.
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<li>We are also in an era where ARIN is engaged
in many activities beyond just number resource
policy, which have the potential for
significant implications for all of ARIN’s
customers. For example, topics such as the
evolution and deployment of RPKI services, the
current ICP-2 update activities, and our
cybersecurity efforts are not public policy
per se, but they have equally significant
potential impacts on ARIN’s customers. As
such, these topics deserve to be informed by
feedback from our entire customer community.</li>
<li>Finally, I note that ARIN is committed to
capacity development within the ARIN
community—i.e., we aim to improve the
knowledge and experience of our entire
community. Over time, this has proven to help
grow our pool of volunteers who advance to
important roles such as the ARIN AC, the ASO
AC, and the ARIN Board of Trustees. Those
participating in our meetings presently gain
broad exposure to all aspects of ARIN – not
just number resource policy development – and
I do worry that a strict delineation of the
Public Policy Meeting and the Members Meeting
could hinder an important element of
cross-pollination that has historically
bolstered leadership development from within
ARIN’s community. </li>
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<div>To be clear, I am not saying that a clear
distinction between the two aspects of the meeting
is no possible, but rather that there are
potential downsides that should be considered and
balanced against any benefits we hope to achieve
by such delineation.</div>
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