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    <p>In addition to the ability of the community to engage with each
      other at the public policy meetings, the community has the
      opportunity to engage with each other in this forum "the PPML."   </p>
    <p>While this forum is open to all who wish to participate, over the
      years my observation is that the number of people who participate
      interactively in this forum appears to decline and I hear from
      various members of the community that they do not participate in
      the written PPML forum for a number of reasons.  </p>
    <p>We often see the AC shepherds prodding for input only to often
      see no replies or replies from the same dozen or so participants. 
      This community is much larger than those participants.  Over the
      years, it appears the use of mailing lists has become less
      comfortable for some community participants.  While I understand
      some of those reasons the fact remains that we are are here to do
      the public work of developing IP number resource policy and that
      policy should be carried out in public.  If a mailing-list isn't
      the right method to carry out this public work, then we must
      figure out what is the right way to continue this work so that IP
      number resource policy which is developed for the Internet
      community in the ARIN region is open and reflective of the
      Internet community that ARIN represents.<br>
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    <p>Andrew</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/24 11:14 AM, Lee Howard via
      ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Top-posting because that's
          how email has worked for the last 20 years :-(</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There are three kinds of
          meetings required in the ARIN Bylaws [1]:</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Public Policy <i>and </i>Members
          Meetings (biannual)</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">* Annual Meeting (annual)</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A strong delineation between
          meetings is not the only way to achieve their objectives. But
          we must prioritize the core objectives. All of the laudable
          big tent objectives are secondary.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In my experience, largely
          supported by the hallway track, people don't travel thousands
          of miles to ARIN Public Policy and Members meetings to hear
          department reports and updates from external agencies. We
          travel because we can get more conversation about proposals
          done in person than in months of PPML. It would be great to
          hear from others on why they come: respond to the <a
            href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ARIN54" class=""
            moz-do-not-send="true">meeting survey</a>! And/or, join this
          conversation!</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Again, that is not to say
          that I'm not interested in the work on ICP-2 or RPKI or ARIN
          Online developments: quite the opposite! But I read the
          mission statement as a prioritized list:</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">1.
              ARIN supports the operation of the Internet through the
              management of Internet number resources throughout its
              service region; </span></span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">2.
              coordinates the development of policies by the community
              for the management of Internet Protocol number resources;
              and </span></span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">3.
              advances the Internet through informational outreach. </span></span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, Liberation Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji; font-size: 16px;">ARIN
              will continue to utilize an open, transparent
              multi-stakeholder process for registry policy development.
              [2]</span></span><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The fact that Hollis and Bill
          managed the afternoon to get us through the other ten
          proposals is amazing. At lunch, we had been through two of
          twelve proposals. Based on that rate of progression, nobody
          thought we would get through the rest of the draft proposals,
          and this was a hot topic in the hallway. So I disagree with
          you that it was not an issue: it was a clear issue, and Hollis
          and Bill were able to pull us through. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This isn't the first time
          we've been tight for time on public policy discussion; I seem
          to recall occasions where we had to move discussion to the
          list. That almost happened this time, and I think "How we use
          attendees' time" especially with regard to public policy is a
          significant enough issue to bring it to PPML. If I'm alone
          among the community in this concern, I'll settle down.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks again, and always, for
          an excellent meeting and for facilitating robust discussion of
          issues that are important to the community.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Lee</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[1] "<span><span
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              will hold Public Policy and Members Meetings biannually
              and in person when possible. ARIN’s Annual Meeting is held
              annually and may coincide with an ARIN Public Policy and
              Members Meeting. " </span></span><a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
            rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/</a> </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Excluding Bylaws about Board
          and AC meetings.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">[2] <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/"
            rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/</a>,
          Article II, Section 2</div>
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          <div> On Friday, October 25, 2024 at 10:53:21 AM EDT, John
            Curran <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net"><jcurran@arin.net></a> wrote: </div>
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                      <div>On Oct 24, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Lee Howard via
                        ARIN-PPML <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a> wrote:</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">In the spirit of offering
                              constructive feedback, I would like to
                              describe what I would like to see at ARIN
                              Public Policy meetings.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Broadly, the purpose of the
                              Public Policy Meetings is to discuss
                              policy and policy proposals. The purpose
                              of the Members Meeting is to provide the
                              Members with information about the
                              operation of the organization, especially
                              as it will help guide governance,
                              including elections.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">I think this organization
                              will better align the work in each meeting
                              with the purpose of the meeting. </div>
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                    <div>Thanks for sending this! I also noted your
                      comment at the microphone that we should never
                      shortchange public policy discussions at these
                      meetings—a view that I strongly agree with (and
                      observed that, thanks to Hollis and Chair
                      Sandiford’s excellent moderation, this was not an
                      issue yesterday).</div>
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                    <div>As you are aware, we tended to have a stronger
                      delineation between the Public Policy Meeting and
                      the Members Meeting in the past, and it is true
                      that we could organize that way in the future.
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                    <div>However, I believe there are a few factors to
                      consider before we commit to a strict delineation
                      – </div>
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                        <li>In recent years, we’ve been able to “expand
                          the tent” of ARIN members; in other words,
                          members are no longer limited to ISPs and
                          large organizations. Due to changes in
                          membership structure, nearly every customer is
                          now an ARIN member. As such, those
                          participating in our public policy discussions
                          are largely ARIN members—individuals from
                          organizations that pay fees to support ARIN,
                          receive services from ARIN, and can (if they
                          wish) become general members and participate
                          in ARIN’s governance.
</li>
                        <li>We are also in an era where ARIN is engaged
                          in many activities beyond just number resource
                          policy, which have the potential for
                          significant implications for all of ARIN’s
                          customers. For example, topics such as the
                          evolution and deployment of RPKI services, the
                          current ICP-2 update activities, and our
                          cybersecurity efforts are not public policy
                          per se, but they have equally significant
                          potential impacts on ARIN’s customers. As
                          such, these topics deserve to be informed by
                          feedback from our entire customer community.</li>
                        <li>Finally, I note that ARIN is committed to
                          capacity development within the ARIN
                          community—i.e., we aim to improve the
                          knowledge and experience of our entire
                          community. Over time, this has proven to help
                          grow our pool of volunteers who advance to
                          important roles such as the ARIN AC, the ASO
                          AC, and the ARIN Board of Trustees.  Those
                          participating in our meetings presently gain
                          broad exposure to all aspects of ARIN – not
                          just number resource policy development – and
                          I do worry that a strict delineation of the
                          Public Policy Meeting and the Members Meeting
                          could hinder an important element of
                          cross-pollination that has historically
                          bolstered leadership development from within
                          ARIN’s community. </li>
                      </ol>
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                    <div>To be clear, I am not saying that a clear
                      distinction between the two aspects of the meeting
                      is no possible, but rather that there are
                      potential downsides that should be considered and
                      balanced against any benefits we hope to achieve
                      by such delineation.</div>
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                  <div>Thanks!</div>
                  <div>/John</div>
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                    <div>John Curran</div>
                    <div>President and CEO</div>
                    <div>American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
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