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<p>Thanks for the comments John.<br>
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ARIN AC and the ARIN Board simply do as they please and
exercise “a high level of power” when it comes to the ARIN
Policy Development Process (ARIN PDP), and nothing could be
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No at all, absolutely. I didn't say or mean that. I said the power
exists in these entities and that is as it is, not necessarily they
have been exercising it as they please.<br>
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<div>Yes, the ARIN Board of Trustees ultimately approves
policy changed to the number resource policy manual, so
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<div>However, the reality is that the ARIN PDP charges the
Board with very clear criteria to be used in its evaluation
of recommended draft policies – specifically, that the PDP
was properly followed and that the resulting policy
satisfies the principles of required of number resource
policy specified in the PDP. It is extremely rare that the
ARIN Board of Trustees does not ratify policy recommended by
the ARIN AC, and when it does not, it’s generally because it
is acting on behalf of the community to make sure that the
policy writeup of compliance is clear and complete, or that
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Nothing wrong with that so far. We are on the same page.<br>
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<div>It is true that both the ARIN AC and the Board are
elected by the membership, but at this point membership is
open to anyone with as much a single IP address block or one
AS #, so it is rather low threshold at that. </div>
<div>Furthermore, the actual policy development process itself
is open to input from any/all participants, just you are
doing so now by participating on the arin-ppml mailing list.</div>
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True, but my point is about representation and the actors who have
each responsibility. One of the main points of this discussion and
suggested by some is to keep the pen on the hands of the author.<br>
The openness of the PDP for the input of any/all participants is
what is excepted anywhere and that covers part of what ICP-2 says
about. Even with such change (having truly community
representatives) there are other mechanisms to check and validate if
the process is being followed as expected with AC playing their role
and ultimately the Board.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Other regions, chairs are elected by
community and should they commit any mistakes or
abuses the RIR Board still have the power to not
ractify an approved proposal or in certain cases
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structure can be a good start.</div>
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<div>See above - ARIN currently has an open policy
development p rocess that takes input from the entire
community. If you believe that your input as a community
member wasn’t given fair consideration, then you can raise
this with ARIN AC or the ARIN Board – as with the scenario
you describe in the other regions, the ARIN Board already
has the ability to intervene if the PDP is not properly
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I trust that happens in many occasions, but be opened to input may
not be enough sometimes. Having fair representation of all
constituencies - as ICP-2 states - may mean more, as an active
representation of all stakeholders and as we all know, membership
differs from community to certain subjects. I am not suggesting
simply the entire AC to start being elected by community, but as it
is now doesn't sound reasonable it being elected solely by
membership either. I compared to similar scenarios and suggested
something different that weight things better which deserves further
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It is incumbent upon the author to clearly communicate the
problem with current policy that warrants a change. The
community should not be expected to make changes to number
resource policy based on what an author might be thinking
but seemingly cannot communicate. The ARIN AC actually
serves to help the authors with this very process, as the
assigned sheperds are tasking with working with the author
to achieve this clarity. <br>
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Well, if the author has the knowledge to do and know well what
he/she is proposing what is the issue with that ? Overall there must
be consensus from community, in order for a proposal to advance, so
if the author makes up something that doesn't make any sense and
doesn't follow AC shepherds advice hardly that proposal will
progress anyway. Nothing stops the AC to keep helping authors in
that sense, but decision about what the text should is should remain
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It should be noted that many authors often are unaware of
the policy development process or the requirements for a
policy at each stage, and simply want to “change some text”
- we actually don’t work that way in the ARIN region - the
PDP provides a clear and structured process that can be
administrated fairly and provides the same criteria to all
proposals at each phase of the process. It is indeed more
detailed than many folks expect, but such formalism is not a
random occurrence but natural evolution of the PDP baed on
lessons learned from its use in the region over the decades.<br>
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Well, I don't get this part. If the author believes any part of the
proposal demands changes based on the discussion what is the problem
if he wants to change it ? If it doesn't work that way now a days it
can start working, just need to be adjusted. As long the PDP is
followed I see no issues with that. Correct me, but I see there may
be a fair amount of concern about folks that may not know well the
process, create some confusion eventually and that may happen. For
that there will be the AC shepherds to advice and guide those who
need more assistance before making any change. I see that as
valuable, even if it costs more time. In other words pays off for
keeping the pen in the author's hand and what that means.<br>
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Thanks again for the input<br>
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<div>Thanks! </div>
<div>/John</div>
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<div>John Curran</div>
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<div>American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
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