<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'><div dir='auto'><div id="message" dir="auto"><div><br id="br3"><div id="line_space" dir="auto">Hi Bill,</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto">I agree that the current situation is ludicrous. A 2 year needs test and a 3 year wait. Looks insane to any rational observer.</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto">As you allude to I think the mechanics would be difficult and I would rather any returned addresses go straight to 4.10. And in fact, in addition to authoring this proposal, I authored one to do just that which floundered a few years ago, but maybe needs some review In the light of the current waiting list situation.</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"> </div><div id="line_space" dir="auto">I think something has to change. At least this proposal would serve to clear out the waiting list and return some sanity in that wait times will be shorter than justification horizons.</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto">Regards,</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto">Mike</div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"><br></div><div id="new_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:12px;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device</div></div><div id="line_space" dir="auto"></div><br id="br3"></div></div><div id="signature" dir="auto"></div><div id="content" dir="auto"><br><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"></div><br> ---- On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:58:12 -0400 <b> bill@herrin.us </b> wrote ----<br><br><blockquote style="border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"><div>On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 12:46 AM Gerry E.. George <<a href="mailto:ggeorge@digisolv.com" target="_blank">ggeorge@digisolv.com</a>> wrote:<br>> As a co-shepherd on policy 2023-8 (Gerry George & Brian Jones) on<br>> Draft Policy ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation, I'm reaching<br>> out for additional feedback from the community on this policy following the<br>> robust discussions at and since ARIN-53.<br><br>Hi Gerry,<br><br>The wait list system is not really sane. If your need can afford to<br>wait three years to fulfill it with addresses, how does that not say<br>everything that needs to be said about its legitimacy?<br><br>I'd like to see a concrete proposal along the lines of releasing<br>waitlist addresses to the brokers for sale or directly auctioning them<br>off as they become available. Maybe the mechanics won't work out, but<br>I'd like to see it and consider whether it's a reasonable idea after<br>the details are ironed out. Since these are returned blocks,<br>auctioning them explicitly would also allow bidders to evaluate their<br>reputation history when making an offer rather than getting stuck with<br>whatever random block comes up.<br><br>In the interests of fairness to the folks who joined the wait list in<br>good faith, perhaps limit the first few auctions to folks already on<br>the waitlist before opening it up to the public at large.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bill Herrin<br><br><br>-- <br>William Herrin<br><a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br><a href="https://bill.herrin.us/" target="_blank">https://bill.herrin.us/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br></body></html>