<div dir="auto">I’m in the wait and see camp. Opposed for now.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think staff has proven to be vigilant about IP space overallocation with all the practice they’ve had with v4. If they’re even half as strict with v6 then there’s no actual problem here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That said, a /16 is a REALLY big slice of the pie and it might be best to put some additional parameters around what justifies that large of an allocation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is /16 the new /8? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Matt</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Matt Erculiani<br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 08:17 Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">If in practice no organizations can justify that size of block I don't think restricting is pramature really. And no one can.<div dir="auto">At least doesn't give any ideas to one that may think about creating a unexistant need.</div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fernando</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 13 Aug 2024, 05:26 jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="line-break:after-white-space">+1<div><br></div><div>If any organization can justify the need for a /16, should be able to get it.</div><div><br></div><div>Even I will say, if any organization can justify, for example, a /12 (I doubt it), should be able to get it.</div><div><br></div><div>Limiting IPv6 deployments is a non-sense.<br><div><br id="m_-6747283402562771862m_-5789179287356288477lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 12 ago 2024, a las 23:33, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> escribió:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">/16 is a reasonable limit; keep the current NRPM. One /16 allocation in nearly a decade does not concern me. /16 allocations were intended to be rare but possible; in fact, I believe the policy is functioning as intended. If we see several additional /16 allocations in the next couple of years, I could be convinced to reconsider my position. But at this point, I think this policy is premature.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Thanks</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 2:12 PM Elizabeth Goodson <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">elizabeth.goodson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello PPML,</div><div><br></div><div>As lead shepherd on ARIN-2024-8, I'm reaching out for additional feedback from the community on this policy following the robust discussion here in June.</div><div><br></div><div>The previous discussion did not come to a clear community consensus with opinions falling in multiple categories (in no particular order):</div><div>- /20 is a reasonable limit, support the Draft Policy as written</div><div>- /16 is a reasonable limit, keep current NRPM</div><div>- Allow initial allocations above a certain size that are not on a nibble boundary (e.g. /19, /18, /17)</div><div>- Add clarification about what designs would not justify a certain size initial allocation (e.g. 6RD)</div><div><br></div><div>Questions for the community:</div><div>- Do you support the draft policy as written?</div><div>- If not, can the policy be changed so you would support it? What change(s) do you support?</div><div>- Should the community continue to work on the policy or abandon it?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Liz Goodson</div><div><br><div>===============</div><div>Problem Statement:<br>In order to promote aggregation, the NRPM currently allows initial allocations up to a /16. However, the entire IPv6 address space only contains 65536 /16s, and the space allocated to IANA for globally routable purposes only contains 8192 /16s. Therefore, a /16 is a sufficiently large portion of the IPv6 address space that the goal of conservation starts to outweigh the goal of aggregation.<br><br>Policy Statement:<br>6.5.2.1b: Replace "In no case shall an ISP receive more than a /16 initial allocation." with "In no case shall a LIR receive more than a /20 initial allocation."<br></div></div><div>==================</div></div>
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