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<p>I always wonder where these ideas to end up with the Waiting List
come from. The only place I see they coming are from those who are
unwilling to *wait*. It seems many still didn't get that there
aren't enough IPv4 to supply those in need and somehow believe
that with the existence of the Waiting List that would sudden be a
solution to the problem. Many still didn't accept and didn't learn
how to live with less or with what they already have. Seems there
is a significant anxiety about the waiting list because it simply
doesn't receive enough incoming IPv4 to supply the demand. I
wonder how many are surprised with that.</p>
<p>For me it is simply wrong to end up with it because it is the
simplest and most fair way to supply any recovered addressed for
those who are both 1) in need and 2) are willing to wait whatever
time. Fairness is one of the most important parts of any existing
policy.<br>
If it is not meeting the needs of many on the list they have
always the option to remove themselves, stop suffering about not
being supplied and go to the market for a fast solution. The
fairness to those who can wait and qualify will remain for any
recovered addresses.<br>
End up with the waiting list only favors those who profit from it
in the market creating even more scarcity with resources that can
continue go to those most qualifies in the more natural way they
could.<br>
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<p>Any newcomer in the list needs a bare minimal to operate and a
/22 is this bare minimal. Reducing the maximum allocation size
will not change the general anxiety status of many to get a tiny
chunk of extra resources. Therefore I say this policy is not
needed.<br>
The only good tentative of it is to reduce de maximum holding but
as that will reach any consensus leave it for another time maybe.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/06/2024 05:00, Gerry E.. George
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style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;"
data-mce-style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;">As a
co-shepherd on policy 2023-8 (Gerry George & Brian
Jones), we are soliciting the community for feedback on
this policy proposal following the discussions and
opinions expressed at and since ARIN53.</span></p>
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style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;"
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<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;"><span
style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;"
data-mce-style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;">They
have been distilled into a few main opinions (in no
particular order):</span></p>
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Policy not needed (no change).</p>
<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;">2.
Do away with the Waitlist completely.</p>
<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;">3.<span
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style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;">Leave
the /22 Maximum Allocation unchanged, but introduce a
different method or formula of weighting the Waitlist
requests </span><span
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style="text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(29, 28, 29); background: rgb(248, 248, 248);">to
incorporate wait times and allocation size.</span></p>
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data-mce-style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #1d1c1d; background: #F8F8F8;"
style="text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(29, 28, 29); background: rgb(248, 248, 248);">4. </span>Continue
to work on it, and clarify wording.</p>
<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;">5.
If to move forward, MUST address those currently on the Wait
List and will they be Grandfathered in? (Fairness)</p>
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style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;"
data-mce-style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;">Questions
for the Community:</span></p>
<p
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style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;"
data-mce-style="font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; color: black;">a. </span>Do
we keep working on this policy? (Y/N - #1, #2)</p>
<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;">b.
If yes, should consideration be given for some formula or
weighted method towards allocations to queue occupants? (#3,
#4)</p>
<p
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; background: white;">c.
If yes, is there a need to add a clause for dealing with
existing waitlist occupants? (#4, #5)</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">And if
so, how should they be handled? </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">Note
that if such a clause is determined for inclusion (#5), it
will likely apply to ALL currently on the waitlist as at a
specific point in time and they ALL would thus be subject
to any such clause in the policy, once adopted.</p>
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