<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 21, 2024, at 06:18, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The wait list is three years long and the justifications are two year projections.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The waitlist is not functioning adequately unless we consider a current needs-test to be worthless.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">There is a fundamental issue with needs-testing here. <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Does it matter if the needs-tests are accurate at the time of allocation?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The wait list was always expected to be long duration and get longer. That’s working as intended. IPv4 is scarce and getting more so.</div><div><br></div><div>That is the expected situation.</div><div><br></div><div>There are no surprises here to anyone who was paying any attention.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I believe need-testing (expensive) transfers are unnecessary and RIPE’s lengthy, broad and deep transfer experiences demonstrates this.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We’ve witnessed 10 years without a needs test at the RIR that does the most transfers, and where is the problem?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I’m not here to debate the problems with how RIPE-NCC does things, but I will say that they are, in fact, numerous. I will admit that many of them do not relate to the lack of needs testing, but some do.</div><div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Leaving that aside, I think our current predicament needs to change.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It is unseemly that we are applying out-of-date needs tests while maintaining the requirement for them.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That’s the very picture of brainless bureaucracy.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wouldn’t oppose policy that required those on the waitlist to renew their qualification on an annual or biennial basis, thus eliminating your concern about the needs test being out of date.</div><div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">In general, I don’t support any market-distorting elements like “free addresses” impacting the maturing transfer market.</span> </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I’m willing to bet that this perspective is more common among brokers than among those on the waitlist.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I will be relieved when all the free address pools are completely drained everywhere.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I will be relieved when we finally have IPv6 everywhere and IPv4 becomes optional.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">There will always be dribbles of returned or revoked addresses. They don’t have to go into a free pool.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nor do they have to be monetized by brokers.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><br></body></html>