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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bill – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I made a mistake in my earlier email – LIRs and ISPs *are* generally interchangeable terms. I was confusing it with End Users. Apologies. Notably, ARIN staff wrote a helpful blog post earlier last year pointing
out that LIR and ISP is used interchangeably under the NRPM. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ll rephrase my earlier response:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The policy proposal as I see it is looking to add clarity to the existing text. Section 6.5 as a whole uses the terms ISP and LIR at different points. 6.5.1a appears to be there to ensure a reader knows they
have the same meaning but used the broader term “document” rather than “section” to indicate the applicability. As a subsection of Section 6.5, a statement that it applies to the “Section” should reasonably indicate the rest of the section it is included in,
and no other sections of the document. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If your feedback is – retire 6.5.1a, move definitions or clarifications to other sections, that is fine as well. We’re here to collect your input, and it is appreciated!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Doug<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Douglas J. Camin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Member, ARIN Advisory Council<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">doug@dougcamin.com</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">William Herrin <bill@herrin.us><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:37</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Douglas Camin <doug@dougcamin.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Feedback Request: Policy ARIN-2024-6: 6.5.1a Definition Update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 5:23</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PM Douglas Camin <doug@dougcamin.com> wrote:<br>
> To think about it holistically – for all sections of NRPM aside from 6.5,<br>
> LIRs and ISPs have distinct differences. Inside of Section 6.5, anywhere<br>
> it references an LIR, that policy also applies to an ISP. This policy<br>
> changes the word “Document” to “Section” to ensure there is no confusion about that.<br>
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Hi Doug,<br>
<br>
Well I sure don't like that plan.<br>
<br>
IMO, the proposed change just makes it more confusing. "Section"<br>
means... which section? Why should the reader understand it to mean<br>
section 6.5? Why not section 6?<br>
<br>
But that's not the biggest issue. Folks should be able to skip from<br>
section to section and understand the terms "LIR" and "ISP" to mean<br>
the same thing there that they do everywhere else. You're telling me<br>
that 6.5.1.a intends to morph the terms to a different meaning for<br>
section 6.5. That's bad. Really bad. Don't do that.<br>
<br>
Now that you call my attention to it, I think I'd like to see section<br>
6.5.1 retired, any relevant terminology moved to section 2 where it<br>
belongs, and any text whose use of words is inharmonious with the rest<br>
of the document revised. And not necessarily in section 6.5 - we<br>
probably should be considering LIRs and ISPs to be the same thing<br>
elsewhere too.<br>
<br>
I'm curious: where in the NRPM is LIR and ISP not, for the purposes of<br>
ARIN policy, the same thing?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bill Herrin<br>
<br>
<br>
p.s. 6.5.2.b is also poorly written. If I didn't already know what the<br>
nibble boundary is, it'd leave me scratching my head. Need simpler<br>
words along with enough context for a reader to gain a basic<br>
understanding of why it matters.<br>
<br>
"A nibble is half a byte: 4 bits. A nibble boundary in a netmask is<br>
where the number of bits in the mask is evenly divisible by 4.<br>
<br>
Nibble-based address delegation boundaries serve IPv6 in two ways:<br>
First, each written digit of an IPv6 address is exactly 4 bits.<br>
Second, the ip6.arpa reverse-DNS domain is engineered for<br>
nibble-boundary delegation."<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
William Herrin<br>
bill@herrin.us<br>
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