<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 18:11 John Santos <<a href="mailto:john@egh.com">john@egh.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I agree with Dale (I think). ISPs do a lot more than just register Internet <br>
addresses, but their interaction with ARIN and the NRPM is under their function <br>
as an Internet Registry (allocating and registering addresses for their <br>
customers), so they are a special case of LIR. If the term LIR is used most <br>
commonly by other regions and their definition of LIR is similar to ARIN's, then <br>
I think "LIR" should be used in the NRPM, even if it requires more single-point <br>
changes.<br>
</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">ISPs assign “to†their customers, but semantics. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
If everyone agrees that the terms ISP and LIR, as used in the NRPM, are <br>
equivalent, then substituting one for the other is a purely editorial change, <br>
not a policy change.<br>
</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Staff or engineering also seems to equate LIR with ISP and vice versa. It’s noted on the web tool when requesting v4 or v6 resources as “LIR/ISPâ€</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In order for it not to be perceived as a policy change ISP seems to be the right term. On a per ARIN region per ASN basis (individual network vs. address holdings volume implying international) I believe most network operators in North America don’t use the LIR acronym at all. If it wasn’t a cultural change I’d agree with you re: the terms being the same. However, it’s more confusing to redact ISP than LIR. When examining section 10, there are  also no conflicts since neither term is used. Other than global policy, I don’t think it’s terrible necessary to be “similar†to the other regions. This particular issue doesn’t seem that important.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m +1 removing LIR.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warm regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-M<</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div>