<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 5, 2023, at 09:20, Peter Potvin <peter.potvin@accuristechnologies.ca> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Owen,</div><div><br></div><div>Just wish to clarify what you mentioned:</div><div><br></div><div>> “All ISP organizations who have no IPv4 resources directly issued to them by an RIR qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22”.</div><div><br></div><div>By saying "who have no IPv4 resources directly issued to them by an RIR", this reads as the applicant cannot have any existing IPv4 resources already allocated to them by other RIRs such as RIPE, APNIC, etc.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes, I believe that is the intent.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div> Please correct me if I'm wrong, however wouldn't this be something that would be better discussed for all RIRs to implement rather than ARIN only, considering ISP organizations can be physically present in multiple RIRs and obtain resources from each one for their respective locations as intended by each region having their own RIR? Note I haven't checked to see if any similar proposals have been made in other regions and are being considered, so I'm unsure what the stance of other RIR users would be regarding this policy.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If someone wants to float it in other RIRs, they are certainly welcome to do that… 4 of the 5 RIRs have functioning policy processes by which to do that at this time.’</div><div><br></div><div>It’s certainly not a global policy (those are primarily policies that direct IANA).</div><div><br></div><div>My intent in the language I proposed was to avoid multi-dipping into the shallow remaining pools. If people think that’s bad policy and would rather reword my statement to be exclusive to ARIN, I’m not going to scream too loud about it, but I don’t think that’s the ideal way to go at this time.</div><div><br></div><div>In reality, I think continuing to play with the deck chairs on the IPv4 Titanic is mostly silly anyway. We should just get on with IPv6 and then all this absurdity can become just a bad memory.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Regards,<div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Peter Potvin | Executive Director</div><div>------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><b>Accuris Technologies Ltd.</b></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:23 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>As long as we are wordsmithing this, may I humbly suggest:<div><br></div><div>“All ISP organizations who have no IPv4 resources directly issued to them by an RIR qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22”.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 3, 2023, at 22:35, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">The placement of "only" in "All ISP organizations with only IPv4 addresses from an upstream provider qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22..." would have a presumably unintended effect of excluding ISP organizations that have both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses from an upstream provider. I think you want it to say something like "All ISP organizations with IPv4 addresses solely from upstream provider(s) qualify..."<div><br></div><div>-Scott</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:06 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">The following Draft Policy has been revised:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* ARIN-2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Revised text is below and can be found at:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_12/" title="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_12/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_12/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* Technically Sound<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* Supported by the Community<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The PDP can be found at:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" title="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" title="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Eddie Diego<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Policy Analyst<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Problem Statement:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">As a result of ARIN's fee harmonization direct assignments are no longer being utilized within ARIN databases therefore language around that has been deprecated and should be modernized.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Policy Statement:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 3.6.3:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Change paragraph 1 text<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM: “This policy applies to every Organization that has a direct assignment, direct allocation, or AS number from ARIN”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO: “This policy applies to every Organization that has Internet number resources registered with ARIN"<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">RESULT: “This policy applies to every Organization that has Internet number resources registered with ARIN (or one of its predecessor registries) or a reallocation from an upstream ISP. This includes but is not limited to upstream ISPs and their downstream ISP customers (as defined by NRPM 2.5 and 2.6), but not reassignments made to their downstream end user customers.”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 4.2.2:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Reorganize and adjust text as follows <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4.2.2. Initial Allocation to ISPs<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All ISP organizations without direct assignments or allocations from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22, subject to ARIN’s minimum allocation size.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All ISP organizations without direct allocations, direct assignments, re-allocations or reassignments automatically qualify for a /24. These organizations are exempt from requirements of showing the efficient utilization of previously held IPv4 space. These organizations may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">ISPs holding re-allocations and/or reassignments must show the efficient utilization of their resources consistent with the requirements in sections 4.2.3 and 4.2.4.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4.2.2. Initial Allocation to ISPs<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4.2.2.1 ISPs without existing IPv4 addresses<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All ISPs without any IPv4 addresses automatically qualify for a /24. These organizations are exempt from requirements of showing the efficient utilization of previously held IPv4 space. These organizations may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4.2.2.2 ISPs with existing IPv4 addresses<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All ISP organizations with only IPv4 addresses from an upstream provider qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22, subject to ARIN’s minimum assignment size.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">4.2.2.3 Qualifying for increased initial assignments<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All ISP organizations are exempt from requirements of showing the efficient utilization of previously held IPv4 addresses. These organizations may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">ISPs holding re-allocations and/or reassignments must show the efficient utilization of their resources consistent with the requirements in sections 4.2.3 and 4.2.4.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 4.3.2:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Change paragraph 1 text<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM: "End-user organizations without direct assignments or allocations from ARIN"<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO: “End-user organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">RESULT: “End-user organizations without IPv4 directly registered with ARIN qualify for an initial assignment of ARIN’s minimum assignment size.”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 6.5.8:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Change section title<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM: “Direct Assignments from ARIN to End-user Organizations”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO: “End-user Allocations”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 8.5.4: <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Change section text <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM: “Organizations without direct assignments or allocations from ARIN”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO: “Organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">RESULT: “Organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN qualify for transfer of an initial IPv4 block of ARIN’s minimum transfer size.”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Section 8.5.6: <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Change section text <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FROM: “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN…”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">TO: “Organizations with IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN…”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">RESULT: “Organizations with IPv4 directly registered with ARIN must have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 addresses. This includes all IPv4 space reassigned to their customers.”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>
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