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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ah, I follow now, my mistake. Thanks for the clarification.
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:23 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Douglas Camin <doug@dougcamin.com><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">No, I’m looking to replace Scott’s language specifying organizations that may have IPv4 addresses, but don’t yet have any directly issued by an RIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the proposal, it suggests breaking Section 4.2.2 into multiple subsections. Scott’s suggestion was for new subsection 4.2.2.2 “ISPs with Existing Addresses.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Your language looks like it may apply to new subsection 4.2.2.1 “ISPs without existing IPv4 addresses” where the first sentence is “All ISPs without any IPv4 addresses automatically qualify for a /24.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Just wanted to confirm we’re on the same page for your suggestion (which is an excellent one providing more clarity.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>arin-ppml@arin.net <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The placement of "only" in "All ISP organizations with only IPv4 addresses from an upstream provider qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22..." would have a presumably unintended effect of excluding
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
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utilization of previously held IPv4 space. These organizations may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ISPs holding re-allocations and/or reassignments must show the efficient utilization of their resources consistent with the requirements in sections 4.2.3 and 4.2.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4.2.2. Initial Allocation to ISPs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4.2.2.1 ISPs without existing IPv4 addresses</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All ISPs without any IPv4 addresses automatically qualify for a /24. These organizations are exempt from requirements of showing the efficient utilization of previously held IPv4 space. These organizations
may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4.2.2.2 ISPs with existing IPv4 addresses</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All ISP organizations with only IPv4 addresses from an upstream provider qualify for an initial allocation of up to a /22, subject to ARIN’s minimum assignment size.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4.2.2.3 Qualifying for increased initial assignments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All ISP organizations are exempt from requirements of showing the efficient utilization of previously held IPv4 addresses. These organizations may qualify for a larger than a /24 by documenting how the requested
allocation will be utilized within the request size specified in 4.2.4.3.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ISPs holding re-allocations and/or reassignments must show the efficient utilization of their resources consistent with the requirements in sections 4.2.3 and 4.2.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 4.3.2:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">FROM: "End-user organizations without direct assignments or allocations from ARIN"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TO: “End-user organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">RESULT: “End-user organizations without IPv4 directly registered with ARIN qualify for an initial assignment of ARIN’s minimum assignment size.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 6.5.8:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Change section title</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">FROM: “Direct Assignments from ARIN to End-user Organizations”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 8.5.4: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Change section text </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">FROM: “Organizations without direct assignments or allocations from ARIN”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TO: “Organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">RESULT: “Organizations without IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN qualify for transfer of an initial IPv4 block of ARIN’s minimum transfer size.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 8.5.6: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Change section text </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">FROM: “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN…”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TO: “Organizations with IPv4 resources directly registered with ARIN…”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">RESULT: “Organizations with IPv4 directly registered with ARIN must have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 addresses. This includes
all IPv4 space reassigned to their customers.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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