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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Timely is open to interpretation by either party which means it could be abused by either party. I would support an explicit requirement that is measurable. Like 14 days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a can of worms which seems unnecessary:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">“</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">At the same time, privacy laws have been introduced in many jurisdictions across ARIN’s service region which constrain registration in certain cases.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Shouldn’t that be/already is dealt with in the RSA?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> on behalf of Hunter, Kathleen via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
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<b>To: </b>Peter Potvin <peter.potvin@accuristechnologies.ca>, David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2023-4: Modernization of Registration Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The current timeframe on registrations works for myself, however, in the event 7 days is changed to an extended period of time and not “timely”, I think 14 days would be sufficient
for anyone having issues registering large amounts of data. “Where applicable by law” was discussed in the working group as states like California now have CCPA. There are some business customers which may be considered residential with a business IP account.
The way the text is today, all business customers /29 or more must be registered. This would allow flexibility for those customers which fall into a gray area. The language is in very early stages so at any point the shepherds can adjust the text. As always,
the AC appreciates your input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">+1 on David's point. Unless "a timely manner" is defined somewhere within the NRPM and a limit is provided, it's open to interpretation as the interpreting party sees fit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In addition to this, I'm personally not a fan of adding the "to the extent permitted and manner provided by applicable law" wording, because again: which legislation is being applied
here, from which jurisdiction and by which party? This is also up to interpretation which without being defined may not result in the intended actions or meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:37 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think the change from 7 days to timely, is unacceptable. Timely is simply too vague and indefinite, it could mean virtually any timeframe, even up to 90 days or 180 days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’d be fine extending the timeframe to 14 days, or 10 business days, to allow some flexibility for holidays. I’d even accept 21 days, but it needs to be a definite timeframe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 20 July 2023, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted “ARIN-prop-322: Modernization of Registration Requirements” as a Draft Policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Draft Policy ARIN-2023-4 is below and can be found at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2023_4/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!CNMWCMCN350m3SFzf0lyRHiwCE0y6q9kLTUTjjxubQCCWlSppgbe0JzYlNG2AUHLgpoujj5KHGoTZQVx6uBeQjOHTfdt$" target="_blank" title="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2023_4/">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2023_4/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development
Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">* Technically Sound<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Eddie Diego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Draft Policy ARIN-2023-4: Modernization of Registration Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Registration is central to the value provided by ARIN to the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">community. Registry quality depends greatly upon the timely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">registration of reassignments from ISPs to end users. The motivation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">for registration has waned since the depletion of the free pool. At<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">the same time, privacy laws have been introduced in many jurisdictions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">across ARIN’s service region which constrain registration in certain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">cases. This combination of forces has generally discouraged many ISPs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">from registering reassignments. Registration remains vital to a number<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">of stakeholders, including law enforcement and network operators.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">This proposal aims to modernize the registration-related policies in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 4 by introducing language that is meant to make registration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">requirements more adaptable to changing privacy laws, while reminding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">which meets the standards set forth in section 3.2."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">With<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">"Each IPv4 reassignment or reallocation containing a /29 or more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">addresses shall be registered in the WHOIS directory via SWIP or a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">directory services system which meets the standards set forth in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">section 3.2, in a timely manner, to the extent permitted and manner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">provided by applicable law."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Retire section 4.2.3.7.2 Reassignments and Reallocations Visible<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Within Seven Days<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Rename 6.5.5.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">From<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">"Reassignment Information"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">To<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">"Reassignment and Reallocation Information"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">In section 6.5.5.1,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Replace<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">"Each static IPv6 reassignment or reallocation containing a /47 or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">more addresses, or subdelegation of any size that will be individually<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">announced, shall be registered in the WHOIS directory via SWIP or a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">distributed service which meets the standards set forth in section<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">3.2. Reassignment and reallocation registrations shall include each<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">client’s organizational information, except where specifically<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">exempted by this policy."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">With<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">"Each static IPv6 reassignment or reallocation containing a /47 or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">more addresses, or subdelegation of any size that will be individually<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">announced, shall be registered in the WHOIS directory via SWIP or a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">distributed service which meets the standards set forth in section<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">3.2, in a timely manner, to the extent permitted and manner provided<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">by applicable law. Reassignment and reallocation registrations shall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">include each client’s organizational information, except where<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">specifically exempted by this policy."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Retire section 6.5.5.2 Reassignments and Reallocations Visible Within Seven Days<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Timetable for Implementation: Immediate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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