<div dir="ltr"><div>So, it sounds like we are talking about a policy aimed purely at ARIN members in the 4XL and 5XL fee categories.</div><div><br></div><div>Furthermore, if an organization is large enough, the same statement could be made even with an 80% threshold.</div><div>So, let's do the math; if an organization has 5 /8s at 80% full, that is a /8 of free space.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, a similar statement, relatively speaking, could be made about anyone in the XL or higher fee category having more than a /16 of free space.</div><div><br></div><div>We could set a maximum transfer unit, change the percentage, or whatever. But unless someone has a way to detect futures contracts and make them illegal, it's not going to be that hard to work around any changes to the policy that we make.</div><div><br></div><div>We have the current policy because we wanted to make it easy for the small and medium guys to justify sizable blocks if they can justify them financially, as the market would add financial justification to the overall criteria.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, the same holds true for the big guys. Why shouldn't it? From a relative perspective, it's not any easier for the big guys. Their size and the absolute values involved just make it sound easier, but it's not.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, the market is driving up the price for IPv4. That is what we expected. The answer is for people to start using IPv6. Not for us to try to manipulate the IPv4 marketplace by trying to pick winners and losers.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The rules are the rules, and let's have one set of rules: big, medium, or small.</div><div><br></div><div>It's not that I oppose making any changes, but I don't think any changes are going to be effective and fundamentally change the fact that IPv4 prices are going up and will continue to do so regardless of any policy changes we make. More importantly, I'm worried that making changes at this point will have unintended consequences.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:45 PM A N <<a href="mailto:anita.nikolich@gmail.com" target="_blank">anita.nikolich@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On behalf of the ARIN AC Policy Experience Working Group, and in response to
the Policy Implementation and Experience Report presented at ARIN 51,
we're looking for input on a possible proposed revamp of NRPM Section 8.5.6 "Efficient Utilization of Previous Blocks". <br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The crux of the issue is there are very large orgs that could have a /8 or more of unused space, yet still qualify for more based on the current policy (<span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" id="m_9172425134802370272m_-146830857448821170gmail-docs-internal-guid-95580fa7-7fff-a496-a6fc-458bb8498e39">"</span><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">must have efficiently utilized</span><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">at least 50%</span><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">"</span>). Smaller orgs with more immediate needs are in competition for the space, and prices are driven up. <br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The Working Group would like some input on this before drafting a proposal. Input or thoughts are welcome about: </span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">- should the utilization be raised, and if so, to what threshold? </span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">- should utilization criteria be tied to the size of the org, in other words tiered?</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">- any other thoughts.</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Thanks much! <br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Anita<br></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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