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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Not an argument, I just think it was a Freudian slip that revealed the underlying purpose of the entire exercise-creating a list of “trusted” brokers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Why even “qualify” brokers? Why does ARIN feel the need to take a step that no other registry has felt the need to take.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Every RIR including ARIN specifically takes pains to separate the brokers from the registry in terms of agency and in terms of registry approval.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>These lists are merely shingles hung out by those who claim to be brokers, and the list is just a starting point for participant due diligence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>It’s a simple service to the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Now it’s become something more and once again, not a lawyer, but it seems like these actions actually open the door for ARIN liability.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Why add the “heft” now, after a dozen years? Why add the imprimatur of ARIN to some brokers at this point?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>I don’t get it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 4, 2023 1:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> mike@iptrading.com<br><b>Cc:</b> PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mike - <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One can argue about the optimum terminology to use in the program title, but what is most important aspect of ARIN’s liability is that the qualifications are clear and uniformed applied - customers need to be able to know and trust the level of vetting that ARIN does/does not apply to these facilitators. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At this time, we don’t see straightforward way to uniformly apply the requirements that without the facilitators being legally registered entities in good standing within ARIN’s region, but not adverse to expanding the program over time if we can see a way to do so without endangering the integrity of the program.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Curran<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>President and CEO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>American Registry for Internet Numbers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 4, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>One more thing John….</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>You keep referring to his as the “Trusted” Facilitator program, not Qualified.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Why does ARIN feel to the need to create a trusted list, doesn’t that open ARIN to even more liability exposure?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Regards,<br>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor;border-image: none'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>John Curran<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, June 4, 2023 12:27 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)<br><b>Importance:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>High<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Folks - <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’d like to briefly address some of issues that have arisen in this thread about the forthcoming ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and its associated fee change. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, in terms of discussing this topic on ppml, this is probably the best course of action today – despite the long-term desire that discussions of ARIN services and fees eventually migrate to the general-member mailing list. The reason for this is that many in the community who are interested in such topics haven’t (yet) opted to become a general member and thereby joined the associated list, but also because at the present time general member status is only open to those either holding IPv4 or IPv6 number resources under registration services plan, and doesn’t include facilitators without resources, those who simply have an ASN, etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In terms of the fee increase for participation in the ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program, this is driven entirely due to the anticipated costs of administration – the new program has quite a bit of “heft” to it in order to ensure that the participating facilitators are able and motivated to provide robust assistance to those enlisting their services. Amongst other requirements this includes the employment at least two individuals who have passed a new certification program on Transfers at ARIN. ARIN has not historically administered any certification programs, and this requirement is driving some additional costs that are reflected in the increased fee for the ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Note that information about both the trusted facilitator program and addition of a certification program manager were shared with the community during ARIN 51 during the Customer Experience and Strategy Update <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN51/materials/wednesday/ARIN51_cxsupdate.pdf"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN51/materials/wednesday/ARIN51_cxsupdate.pdf</span></a>> – the only feedback received at that time was several customers sharing accolades about improved processing times that they had recently experienced with their ARIN tickets. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However, we remain open to any/all feedback from the community on this new program and the related fee change, and as many folks are aware, we are not shy about adjusting the fee structures at ARIN to more equitably recover costs associated with registry services. It is to be expected that once the Trusted Facility and associated certification program have been operational for some time, we will review the level of participation received, the associated costs, and determine if any adjustments are warranted to provide for more equitable cost recovery. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Curran<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>President and CEO<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>American Registry for Internet Numbers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>