<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">When John shut down Aron-discuss, he encouraged those of us who opposed its shutdown to migrate those discussions here. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It is disingenuous at best to now call such a discussion inappropriate. Prior to that event, I would have agreed with you. However, in light of the historical context I think it is entirely appropriate. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Owen</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 3, 2023, at 07:20, Heather Schiller <heather.skanks@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>ARIN moderators -- please consider moving or closing this thread. </div><div><br></div><div>Folks, ARIN fees are not set through the Policy Development Process. The board sets fees and has the fiduciary responsibility to ARIN. Direct complaints to the Board, maybe the suggestion process, ARIN feedback surveys or the open discussion at membership portion of meetings. </div><div><br></div><div>arin-discuss@ would have been the appropriate forum. Perhaps general-members@ is a better fit.</div><div><br></div><div> --h</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 5:03 PM Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg215328851949221548"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_215328851949221548WordSection1"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">“All that said, I couldn’t find any justification for the increase from $1,000 to $10,000. If there is justification or other details regarding the increase, I’d appreciate a pointer to them.”<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi David,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Reading the new contract it’s clear that ARIN’s intention here is to avoid any liability through imputed approval of listed brokers.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So there is a twofold approach. First, have all the brokers more explicitly abjure any legal connection with ARIN and second, reduced the likelihood of a problem by filtering out risky brokers.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if the board became spooked by something. Seems like even bolder disclaimers on the broker page could have handled the liability risk, but IANAL.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It brings to mind this suggestion: <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/acsp/suggestions/2018-20-suggestion.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/acsp/suggestions/2018-20-suggestion.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Speaking as a broker who can easily qualify, this will certainly benefit us as it will limit our competitor’s access.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">And not just small brokers, but overseas brokers! Thanks ARIN, we can be listed brokers at the other trading RIRs, and also at ARIN!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So you can’t be a sole proprietor because you need two responsible contacts. And you have to be organized as a business.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There are a few brokers I know who are good brokers, but not really full-time brokers, who are on the list.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, the insurance requirement, the background checks, the $10K annual fee, all these make sense if you understand the intention of reducing ARIN risk exposure.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The loss of small and overseas brokers, the reduced competition, well those are collateral damages that the board seems to have accepted.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I do agree with David that $100 was too low and with Tom (and many other brokers) that $10,000 is too high. And that there should be some venue for discussion of fees. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I wonder why ARIN alone feels this pressure, the other RIR broker lists don’t seem to.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>Mike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">PS I am not buying the argument that ARIN feels compelled to do this to protect innocent members from bad brokers, but I will admit that could be a motivation<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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