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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I doubt you’d have many on the list, there are diminishing returns….<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for the shout-out on our name though.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And for sharing your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 01, 2023 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Fantacone <tom@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com">tom@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees <br>would be going up by a factor of 10. We live in inflationary times, <br>but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?<br><br>Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary, <br>let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered <br>facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected. This <br>time. But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an <br>extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the <br>impact affects all of us.<br><br>When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just <br>$100. A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000. Today <br>we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making <br>our annual fee $10,000. So it's actually a 100-fold increase in <br>about a decade.<br><br>Our own organization won't be too affected by this. We can handle <br>it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well. It may even help <br>us by driving away some competition. But that shouldn't be the <br>point. There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that <br>will be severely impacted. We work with some of these and while they <br>may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent <br>job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and <br>educating the parties along the way.<br><br>There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including <br>requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer <br>references, etc. I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out <br>and may be helpful. I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.<br><br>Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about <br>on this list, always after the fact. The recent resource holder fee <br>increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs <br>comes to mind. Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per <br>transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all <br>transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs). As if <br>that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an <br>additional transfer fee. I can tell you from first-hand experience <br>this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.<br><br>I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering <br>fee increases of such magnitude. Hopefully before our fee goes up <br>another 1,000%.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Tom Fantacone<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>