<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 8 May 2023, 22:19 William Herrin, <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 9:46 AM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br>
> Firstly, leasing should never be an option. Its an idea that the community has rejected the leasing IPv4 for a very long time and often led to mix reactions.<br>
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Hi Noah,<br>
<br>
Never say never.</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I say never because the RIR system has not failed. Its model has been successful albeit with hicups yet it has stood the taste of time and the last thing we want as a community is to attempt on inacting chaos as the new normal.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The community has long permitted ISPs to authorize a<br>
customer to use their /24 with service from another vendors' network.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We are all aware that ISPs are generally LIRs and as such, their downstream endusers/customers often time get assigned small blocks like /24 based on need ontop of the connectivity services they are provided by the ISP.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When ISP customers churn, most ISP recover the assigned block back into the LIR inventory for re-assigning to new customers and this is a known practise.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some ISP customers would endup becoming resource members of an RIR and based on need get some IP space to number their infra...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Historically, a few ISPs even allowed some customers to keep their IP<br>
addresses when they left. </blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Very few and those IPs were transferred to those customers who then became resource members through the RIR process. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Policy targeting IP-leasers should take care<br>
not to stomp on these longstanding and reasonable uses.<br>
<br>
This is why I suggested a policy which simply declares such addresses<br>
unused for justification purposes: a small amount of such activity by<br>
otherwise legitimate ISPs won't cause them a problem</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Unused address ought to be returned back to the RIR inventory for further redistribution.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> but it'd block<br>
anybody from making a business model out of it.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good...... and the RIR system and only the RIR must handle the management and distribution based on need of IP resources and not a 3rd party entity that the community does not even recognize.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">IP Leasing undermines the foundation of the system that has served the Internet community so well.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Any endorsement of such a practise will be setting a very dangerous presidence if we attempt to ignore order in favour of an unregulated practise and greed. There has to be a limit, a demarcation, as to how internet number resources are managed and distributed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div>