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<p>Hello Willian</p>
<p>It is that very difficult to differentiate a scenario where a
final customer receives a block allocation in order to have their
Internet service working with that connectivity provider. That has
never been a problem.<br>
Another thing which many here are targeting about IP leasing in
the sense of renting, speculation made by those who don't build or
offer any Internet infrastructure and services. In other words
someone holding IP space and not using it to build any Internet
infrastructure and services.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/05/2023 19:16, William Herrin
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 3:05 PM Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mon, 8 May 2023, 22:19 William Herrin, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bill@herrin.us"><bill@herrin.us></a> wrote:
We are all aware that ISPs are generally LIRs and as such,
their downstream endusers/customers often time get assigned
small blocks like /24 based on need ontop of the connectivity
services they are provided by the ISP.
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Some also end up being the source of the IP addresses but only a small
source of the transit. Think: T1 and /24 from ISP A, gigabit ethernet
from ISP B. I haven't counted but there are at least hundreds of
these. I don't know how we write policy that disqualifies pretextual
leasing (like Owen was talking about) without also disqualifying these
longstanding and reasonable uses.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Historically, a few ISPs even allowed some customers to keep their IP
addresses when they left.
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Very few __and those IPs were transferred to those customers__ who then became resource members through the RIR process.
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That is not accurate.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Unused address ought to be returned back to the RIR inventory for further redistribution.
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A quarter of a century of RIR experience suggests that mostly doesn't
happen. Hence the existence of a transfer market. Which does seem to
work.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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