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Does ARIN actually have policies that allow them to reclaim space
for any reason other than non-payment of fees?<br>
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Hmmm, apparently they do, in section 12 of the NRPM. It looks pretty
straightforward, that is to say it would be extremely difficult to
wiggle around it.<br>
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That being the case, I would vote +1 for an amendment of the
Waitlist agreement to incude a restriction on leasing during the
same 60 months that the transfer restriction is in place. After all,
a lease is just a "temporary transfer".<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-05-07 12:55 p.m., Michael B.
Williams via ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
problem is that some genuine market participants may be
unable to afford the market rate, thus stifling potential
market entry or innovation. <br>
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<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I am
not necessarily against this idea as long as there are
appropriate ways to preserve market entry for new entrants
without. I am not necessarily saying this needs to be free;
however, promoting competitiveness in space should be a
factor. What I'd suggest we'd see is continued consolidation
of IP resources. Quite frankly, if this model were adopted
with no waitlist, it would not be surprising if a venture
capital fund came in and just started buying IP space to
reduce supply and control the price.<br>
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<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If
that's what we want as a community, then so be it. <b>My
recommendation is to eliminate IP leasing or transfer
entirely for any space obtained from the waitlist.</b> If
customers want a /24 or larger, they go to ARIN, get their
own space, and go through the appropriate justification
process. The ISP can then announce that IP space on their
behalf.</span></div>
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<div><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If a
member is not using their IP space for public routing for a
period of time that ARIN should reclaim space in accordance
with standard policies.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 3:38 PM
Michel Py via ARIN-PPML <<a
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William Herrin wrote :<br>
> We could also just eliminate the waitlist. That's my
preferred solution. When addresses become available for
allocation and assignment,<br>
> have ARIN contract one of the IP brokers to sell it per
the in-region specified transfer rules. No free addresses, no
incentive to cheat.<br>
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+1<br>
And have it all publicly done, and reduce our fees with the
money obtained.<br>
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Michel<br>
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