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And while I ALSO agree with this sentiment, I think that the ship
has sailed on the whole question of "what can people do with their
IP address space". You say it yourself - if you start to insist on
people not leasing their waitlist-obtained resources, why not just
ban leasing altogether? But how to retroactively do that? And what
about all that legacy space that you have no legal control over?<br>
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Until the IRRs get firmly into the "we control the routing tables"
business (shudder), they have very little say in what people
actually do. What about the guy who gets addresses from the waitlist
but then decides not to expand his business, and doesn't route the
addresses AT ALL? Isn't that arguably WORSE than letting someone
else use them (100% waste of resource)? And yet, because he's not
"making money", it's somehow better?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-05-05 9:04 a.m., Michael B.
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'd go
a step further even to say there should be an explicit policy
statement *against* the leasing of IP space from entities who
obtain IP space from the waitlist. Even further, if an entity
obtains IP space from the waitlist, it should have to attest
that they are not leasing its IP space to another entity. I
believe in the community's efficient use of IP space, so
perhaps if an entity is not using its entire IP space, it
should hand the corresponding blocks back to ARIN or
alternatively let ARIN govern a fair and acceptable method to
lease IP space. Still, it should *not* be for profit.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 5, 2023 at
11:58 AM Michael B. Williams <<a
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you asking if an entity were to obtain IP space from the
waitlist, should they be permitted to lease it to someone
else? My answer is a resounding no. That defeats the whole
purpose of the waitlist. Entities should not be encouraged
to hoard IP space because ARIN will subsidise the cost,
allowing a for-profit entity to make money from obtaining
IP space.</div>
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