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<p>That is precisely one of the main points: to disincentivize
organizations from joining the waitlist in order to sell for a
profit later.</p>
<p>If an organization acquires space from the waitlist no longer
needs it it should not be able to sell the space given that space
was already 'acquired' in a scenario that doesn't allow anymore
any ease the selling of it. These tiny spaces available should
really be for those who don't have absolutely any space to allow
them to exist in the Internet and undertake.</p>
<p>If an organization has space acquired from the waiting list and
not longer need or justify it should return it to ARIN voluntarily
or forcibly. And there should be the necessary provisions in the
policies to support ARIN to take that space back in order to
allocate to those who really need. Sometimes when this is
mentioned some people don't like to read maybe because they put
themselves in a future hypothetical scenario so them get scary to
agree but that is the correct thing to do in the sense o proper
fairness. No organization should be allowed to hold unused or
space that lost its justification while there are plenty of other
organizations waiting to use it properly to connect people to the
Internet, specially for space received via the waiting list.<br>
</p>
<p>The most important thing to change about the waiting list is to
only allocate them to organizations that do not have any space at
all. Those who have already can live with it or alternatively go
to the transfer market.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<p>On 22/11/2022 13:46, Nick Nugent wrote:<br>
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<div>Re: Preventing waitlist recipients from transferring their
space indefinitely (instead of only a five-year lockout)</div>
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<div>The point of this change seems to be to disincentivize
organizations from joining the waitlist simply to acquire
space they can later sell for a profit.</div>
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<div>That makes sense. But it helps to consider how changing the
lockout period affects other incentives. </div>
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<div>If an organization acquires space from the waitlist and no
longer needs it (assume the five-year period has elapsed),
that org has a strong financial incentive to sell the space.
For example, if the market price per address at that time is,
say, $37, a /22 might be worth ~$38,000. (Not making any
statements about market price; just picking an arbitrary price
for the sake of this hypothetical.) Selling that space would
put it in the hands of another entity that would actually use
it, improving the efficient allocation of space.</div>
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<div>On the other hand, if the organization that acquired
waitlist space no longer needs it, and ARIN restricts the org
indefinitely from transferring that space to another entity,
then it would cost that org only $500/year to hold onto it
instead of returning it to ARIN. The organization might think,
"Well, I don't currently need this space. But it's possible I
might need it in the future. Better to pay $500/year and keep
it just in case rather than return it to ARIN and go to the
back of the waitlist if I need IPv4 space in the future."
(Invitation to supplement/correct my fee assumptions here)</div>
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</div>
<div>In other words, permitting resale after some period might
promote the more efficient use of space. What is the right
resale lockout period to promote the efficient use of space
while discouraging entities from joining the waitlist solely
to get space they can resell? Hard to say. But I don't think
an indefinite lockout period adequately balances those
competing incentives.</div>
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<div>Nick</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 2:30
PM Brian Jones <<a href="mailto:bjones@vt.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bjones@vt.edu</a>>
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<div>Alison,</div>
<div>As I stated at the ARIN50 meeting, in light of the
report John Sweeting gave (<a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf</a>)
I would be in favor of reducing the minimum allocation
size to a /24. I am not necessarily in favor of lowering
the maximum holdings for eligibility. I would not favor
eliminating the transfer of Waitlist blocks. I think five
years serves the purpose for that.</div>
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<div>
<div>Brian Jones</div>
<div>Virginia Tech</div>
<div>ARIN Advisory Council</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On Nov 14, 2022, at 4:42 PM, WOOD Alison * DAS <<a
href="mailto:Alison.WOOD@das.oregon.gov"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Alison.WOOD@das.oregon.gov</a>>
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<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hello!</div>
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style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
Policy Experience Report Working Group has been
working on the Policy Experience Report from ARIN
50. I would appreciate your feedback on the
following issue regarding transferring waitlist
space.</div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
current wait list criteria is:</div>
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<ul style="margin-bottom:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Must
have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings.</li>
<li
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">May
request up to a /22.</li>
<li
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Removed
from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer.</li>
<li
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Received
ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer
after five years.</li>
</ul>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
Policy Experience Working Group would like your
feedback on a potential policy that would restrict
the transfer of IP space that has been obtained
from the waiting list. In other words, any IP
address space received from the waiting list would
be ineligible for transfer indefinitely and
encouraged to be returned to ARIN if not in use.
This policy would be specific to transfers and not
M & A’s.</div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
working group appreciates your feedback.</div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thank
you!</div>
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