<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Speaking with my AC hat on and as a co-shepherd for this policy. For the record, I am not the author, but I, like many others deploying IPv6 in their own datacenters, would stand to benefit from this particular policy change.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Paul - I believe your assessment is correct. This language is intended to capture the use case where a /64 may be allocated to a virtual network (for example, routing a /64 to a hypervisor or k8s pod or node) as well as a physical network, which is what the current policy accounts for. As is, accounting for multiple VMs with independent IPs must be done on a per-VM basis, and AFAIK can’t be counted as individual /64s for usage-based justification. </div><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>If the community finds this language unacceptably unclear, suggestions on different approaches to capturing this use case in language would be welcome :) </div><div><br class=""></div><div>-C</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 23, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Paul R. Tagliamonte <<a href="mailto:paultag@gmail.com" class="">paultag@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">It seems like this change would mean a single physical data is not "one site" as defined by the end user rules if each 'customer' gets a globally routable subnet.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That does seem like a good distinction, since a single site hosting 10,000 customers' virtual infrastructure should probably be treated differently than a single site with a single subnet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 2:05 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Opposed as written.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree; the new definition is less clear and way more abstract, in my opinion. Further, without a more specific statement of a problem with or a misunderstanding created by the current text, I would prefer to keep the current text.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Thanks.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:13 PM Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" target="_blank" class="">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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clearer, I do not know what a "non-divisible physical or virtual
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 18 August 2022, the ARIN Advisory
Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-318: Clean-up of NRPM Section
2.10" as a Draft Policy.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-13 is below and can
be found at:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_13/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_13/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft
Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to
assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's
Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the
Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these
principles are:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number
Resource Administration</p><p class="MsoNormal">* Technically Sound</p><p class="MsoNormal">* Supported by the Community</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The PDP can be found at:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policies and Proposals under
discussion can be found at: <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sean Hopkins</p><p class="MsoNormal">Senior Policy Analyst</p><p class="MsoNormal">American Registry for Internet Numbers
(ARIN)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-13: Clean-up of NRPM
Section 2.10</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Problem Statement:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This proposal continues the work that the
ARIN AC NRPM Clean-up Working Group undertook to conduct an
editorial review of the NRPM. It relates specifically to
Section 2.10. The focus of this proposal is to both clarify
and simplify the wording of the section.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Policy statement:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace the existing text: “The term End
Site shall mean a single structure or service delivery
address, or, in the case of a multi-tenant structure, a single
tenant within said structure (a single customer location).”
With the new text: “An End Point is the smallest non-divisible
physical or virtual point in a network requiring IPv6 address
space.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Timetable for Implementation: Immediate</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Anything Else: This proposal is intended to
replace ARIN-prop-305 in part, but is not considered strictly
editorial in nature.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p>
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