<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:10 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-2006181774736025026WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I don’t think there is such thing (formally speaking), and is not.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is. Its been a long time since someone tried to take that approach. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John Curran/SAA will know if a specific document exists regarding it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks —</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-2006181774736025026WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal" dir="auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 12/9/22, 14:24, "Martin Hannigan" <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-2006181774736025026WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 08:02 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span class="m_-2006181774736025026m7700879795930727327estilocorreo18"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi Martin,</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span class="m_-2006181774736025026m7700879795930727327estilocorreo18"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span class="m_-2006181774736025026m7700879795930727327estilocorreo18"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">No, is not a global policy, they are only meant for IANA-RIR matters.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">We just mention what is the actual situation in other RIRs, also because we have submitted similar policies, but as we all know, it may happen in one region and not in others.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">A globally coordinated policy is one intended to be adopted similarly across the 5 RIR’s. A global policy is intended for application to the 5 RIRs by the IANA. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Is it either? It certainly does sound like it is the former. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 12/9/22, 13:55, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Martin Hannigan" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Very confusing. If this is to proceed it needs to be substantially boiled down to what it may be intended to mean. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">However, is the author saying this is to be a globally coordinated policy?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">“ In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized either and since it is not explicit in their policy manuals either, this proposal will be presented as well.”<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">This should be clearer. There are subtle implications like expecting closely aligned text across regions. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Before expending tons of energy on a coordinated policy, early feedback is a good predictor of outcome and shouldn't be taken lightly. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Thanks —<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:29 ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">On 18 August 2022, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-308: Leasing Not Intended" as a Draft Policy.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9 is below and can be found at:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">* Technically Sound</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">* Supported by the Community</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">The PDP can be found at:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Sean Hopkins</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Senior Policy Analyst</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Problem Statement:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">“IPv6 Policy (section 6.4.1.) explicitly mention that address space is not a property. This is also stated in the RSA (section 7.) for all the Internet Number Resources.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">However, with the spirit of the IPv4 allocation policies being the same, there is not an equivalent text for IPv4, neither for ASNs.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Further to that, policies for IPv4 and IPv6 allocations, clearly state that allocations are based on justified need and not solely on a predicted customer base. Similar text can be found in the section related to Transfers (8.1).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Consequently, resources not only aren’t a property, but also, aren’t allocated for leasing purposes, only for justified need of the resource holder and its directly connected customers.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Therefore, and so that there are no doubts about it, it should be made explicit in the NRPM that the Internet Resources should not be leased “per se”, but only as part of a direct connectivity service. At the same time, section 6.4.1. should be moved to the top of the NRPM (possibly to section 1. “Principles and Goals of the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)”.”</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Policy statement:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Actual Text (to be replaced by New Text):</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">6.4.1. Address Space Not to be Considered Property</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">It is contrary to the goals of this document and is not in the interests of the Internet community as a whole for address space to be considered freehold property.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">The policies in this document are based upon the understanding that globally-unique IPv6 unicast address space is allocated/assigned for use rather than owned.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">New Text</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">1.5. Internet Number Resources Not to be Considered Property</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">It is contrary to the goals of this document and is not in the interests of the Internet community as a whole for address space to be considered freehold property.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">The policies in this document are based upon the understanding that Internet Number Resources are allocated/assigned for use rather than owned.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">ARIN allocate and assign Internet resources in a delegation scheme, with an annual validity, renewable as long as the requirements specified by the policies in force at the time of renewal are met, and especially the justification of the need.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Therefore, the resources can’t be considered property.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">The justification of the need, generically in the case of addresses, implies their need to directly connect customers. Therefore, the leasing of addresses is not considered acceptable, nor does it justify the need, if they are not part of a set of services based, at least, on direct connectivity.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Even in cases of networks not connected to the Internet, the leasing of addresses is not admissible, since said sites can request direct assignments from ARIN and even in the case of IPv4, use private addresses or arrange transfers.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Timetable for implementation: Immediate </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Situation in other Regions:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized either and since it is not explicit in their policy manuals either, this proposal will be presented as well.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">Nothing is currently mentioned in RIPE about this and it is not acceptable as a justification of the need. 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