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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 12/09/2022 13:09, Mike Burns
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Why not go back and fix the proposal
language mis-describing the situation at other RIRs and define
leasing within your proposal, and provide us with a new
version to consider?</p>
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The situation in the other RIRs are most correct and confirmed. Only
RIPE has clarified in a way previously and now seems to have changed
their mind slightly.<br>
In any way this is not an excuse for the proposal to keep its normal
discussion as it is not a critic point that doesn't change the
spirit of the proposal and its main point to be discussed which is
making it clear in the policy text. Leasing in this context is
already well defined based mainly on direct connectivity as
discussed in several messages.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will simply point out that leasing is
effectively a transfer to those in need, and that not
everybody in need can afford a transfer purchase. This policy
would prevent those in need from receiving blocks unless they
have deep pockets. It’s not fair to smaller, less capitalized
businesses who need IPv4, so I remain opposed.</p>
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<p>This looks more emotional words in order to try protect the
leasing practice than a real world that have options available
within the rules and without having do things in a way that is bad
for most community . While I don't deny that some organizations
may be having access to small chunk of address via these practices
this can not be more important than things like the security of
the resource holder not having immediate control of what is used
by the customer and more important than that the unfairness that
is causes specially in times of IPv4 Exhaustion in order to make
sure resources go *directly* (which means from ARIN) to the
resource holder and not from um resources holder to someone that
has the ability to get these addresses by themselves via a
transfer for example.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando
Frediani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 10, 2022 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-ppml <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9:
Leasing Not Intended<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I don't understand your way to oppose this proposal. You want
to oppose it based a small subset of 'situation in other
regions' text ? That your only point to oppose this proposal ?<br>
The text clearly says the leasing of addresses is not
authorized explicitly in the policy manuals and in most RIRs
it has been already confirmed this is not allowed in most RIRs
(exactly as it should be). In RIPE that you are picking in
order to try oppose this proposal it mentions specifically
that this cannot be used as a justification of need and it is
obvious you cannot go to RIPE, ask for addresses and justify
that you will use them to lease to someone else, pretending to
be a sub-RIR. It is just simple.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In ARIN this proposal will make it very clear not only for
justification of need which is already forbidden but also
later on for usage and that is the right thing to do in order
to avoid more unfairness with the whole community in times of
IPv4 exhaustion.<br>
What is the logic for not being able to justify the need based
on leasing but be allowed to used for them for leasing later
on ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The point here is quiet simple and most people are able to
understand: if you have a need to keep IP resources as a
resource holder for justified need proposes you are fine to
keep the addresses indefinitely, if not your should either
transfer them to whoever has real need or return them back to
ARIN so them can be directly assigned by ARIN to any member
who really needs them and have no intermediaries in the middle
pretending to be a RIR and bringing real security issues to
the whole Internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/09/2022 14:01, Mike Burns wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Fernando,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your
proposal says leasing is banned at other RIRs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
am telling you once again that leasing is NOT banned
at RIPE and leased addresses CAN be used as
justification at RIPE. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
speak from direct experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
once again there is no policy nor contract requirement
to utilize addresses at ARIN for their originally
intended purposes, ergo leasing is not prohibited to
address holders at ARIN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Please
define the word leasing as that impacts enforcement
and other issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
proposal remains deeply flawed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">So
I remain deeply opposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 12:44:10 -0400 <b>Fernando
Frediani <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a></b>
wrote ---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
is no such error in the proposal.<br>
This has been checked as being the interpretation
staff gives to the current policy in most RIRs.
APNIC is just an example that have confirmed it
publicly a couples of days ago. <br>
You may not find all the very specific words you
may wish for in the text, but it is not much
difficult for them to have such interpretation
given the resources must follow a proper
justification of what they will be used for and
that can never be that you will use them for
leasing (rent of lend). ARIN also already
confirmed in this very same list they don't accept
it as a justification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
is no much around the term leasing. If an
organization who don't provide any connectivity
services to another simply rent or lend IP space,
with or without a cost associated that is
something that must not be since they no longer
have a justification to keep that IP space and
instead should either transfer it to those who
really justify or return to ARIN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Fernando<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
24/08/2022 11:04, Mike Burns wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Opposed, I think the proposal
contains errors that should be fixed before the
discussion proceeds.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">For example this statement :</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">“</span><span class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">In
other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not
authorized either and since it is not explicit
in their policy manuals either, this proposal
will be presented as well.”</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">If it
is not in their policy manuals, how can the
proposers state leasing is not authorized?</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Where
do the proposers think authority comes from,
if not from policy and contract?</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Are
they just assuming that all things are
prohibited unless they are explicitly allowed?</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">That
would be an interesting way to read the policy
manual, if that is the belief, we should
discuss that.</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Beyond
that there is the very next sentence:</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">”
Nothing is currently mentioned in RIPE about
this and it is not acceptable as a
justification of the need. “ </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="colour"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Once again the bias is towards
prohibition despite language about leasing being
absent from RIPE policy. More to the point, and
something that can’t be drummed-home clearly
enough to this community, RIPE has no needs test
at all for transfers and hasn’t for years. And
yet RIPE still exists and operates as an RIR.
Even further to the point, in the one occasion
that RIPE performs a needs-test, which is on
inter-regional transfers from ARIN, leased-out
addresses are in fact acceptable as
justification. That’s because of two logical
things. First, RIPE understands that the
inherent value of the addresses drives them
towards efficient use. Second, RIPE understands
that they are charged with getting addresses
into use, not getting them into use on
particular networks.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">So the first two sentences in the
“situation at other RIRs” are problematic/false.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Might I suggest fixing those before
we move forward, and also can you please define
the word leasing?</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">This seems poorly though-out to me,
and I haven’t started on the meat of the
proposal yet nor how it would be effectively
policed and prohibited.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Regards,</span><br>
<span class="size">Mike</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class="size"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <a
href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ARIN</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
August 23, 2022 12:29 PM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> PPML <a
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<span class="size"><b>Subject:</b> [arin-ppml]
Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not
Intended</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">On 18 August 2022, the ARIN
Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-308:
Leasing Not Intended" as a Draft Policy.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9 is below
and can be found at:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">You are encouraged to discuss all
Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the
discussion to assess the conformance of this
draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet
number resource policy as stated in the Policy
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these
principles are:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">* Enabling Fair and Impartial
Number Resource Administration</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">* Technically Sound</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">* Supported by the Community</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">The PDP can be found at:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Draft Policies and Proposals under
discussion can be found at: <a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Regards,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Sean Hopkins</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Senior Policy Analyst</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">American Registry for Internet
Numbers (ARIN)</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing
Not Intended</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Problem Statement:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">“IPv6 Policy (section 6.4.1.)
explicitly mention that address space is not a
property. This is also stated in the RSA
(section 7.) for all the Internet Number
Resources.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">However, with the spirit of the
IPv4 allocation policies being the same, there
is not an equivalent text for IPv4, neither for
ASNs.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Further to that, policies for IPv4
and IPv6 allocations, clearly state that
allocations are based on justified need and not
solely on a predicted customer base. Similar
text can be found in the section related to
Transfers (8.1).</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Consequently, resources not only
aren’t a property, but also, aren’t allocated
for leasing purposes, only for justified need of
the resource holder and its directly connected
customers.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Therefore, and so that there are no
doubts about it, it should be made explicit in
the NRPM that the Internet Resources should not
be leased “per se”, but only as part of a direct
connectivity service. At the same time, section
6.4.1. should be moved to the top of the NRPM
(possibly to section 1. “Principles and Goals of
the American Registry for Internet Numbers
(ARIN)”.”</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Policy statement:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Actual Text (to be replaced by New
Text):</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">6.4.1. Address Space Not to be
Considered Property</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">It is contrary to the goals of this
document and is not in the interests of the
Internet community as a whole for address space
to be considered freehold property.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">The policies in this document are
based upon the understanding that
globally-unique IPv6 unicast address space is
allocated/assigned for use rather than owned.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">New Text</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">1.5. Internet Number Resources Not
to be Considered Property</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">It is contrary to the goals of this
document and is not in the interests of the
Internet community as a whole for address space
to be considered freehold property.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">The policies in this document are
based upon the understanding that Internet
Number Resources are allocated/assigned for use
rather than owned.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">ARIN allocate and assign Internet
resources in a delegation scheme, with an annual
validity, renewable as long as the requirements
specified by the policies in force at the time
of renewal are met, and especially the
justification of the need.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Therefore, the resources can’t be
considered property.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">The justification of the need,
generically in the case of addresses, implies
their need to directly connect customers.
Therefore, the leasing of addresses is not
considered acceptable, nor does it justify the
need, if they are not part of a set of services
based, at least, on direct connectivity.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Even in cases of networks not
connected to the Internet, the leasing of
addresses is not admissible, since said sites
can request direct assignments from ARIN and
even in the case of IPv4, use private addresses
or arrange transfers.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Timetable for implementation:
Immediate</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Situation in other Regions:</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">In other RIRs, the leasing of
addresses is not authorized either and since it
is not explicit in their policy manuals either,
this proposal will be presented as well.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size">Nothing is currently mentioned in
RIPE about this and it is not acceptable as a
justification of the need. In AFRINIC, APNIC and
LACNIC, the staff has confirmed that address
leasing is not considered as valid for the
justification.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
class="size"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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