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    <p>Hi Adam<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/09/2022 13:56, Adam Thompson
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The error
            in what Fernando just said is: parent companies do not, in
            fact, transfer their possibly-valuable IP space to
            subsidiaries - they assign/allocate instead.  Until very
            recently, that wasn’t possible in many cases, so we wound up
            with yet another instance of ARIN policy that actively
            prevented the database from being as accurate as possible. 
            That’s fixed (more or less) as of this year – I admit I
            haven’t done all the SWIPs I should have by now, now that I
            can!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My primary
            concern with this policy is that it will do much the same –
            drive leasing underground, and the public registry will then
            fail to accurately reflect reality in yet another way.</span></p>
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    <p>This cannot be more important than have the rules followed, rules
      that were agreed when the contracts were originally signed by each
      member. We cannot accept a situation that may be out of the rules
      or abnormal and turn into something normal just because some
      people do that and "we have to accept". No, in the other hand
      people must follow what is expected and those who don't will be
      subject to sanctions. There is a reason most rules exist and in
      general these have been discussed extensively to get to that
      point.</p>
    <p>There was not much a while ago a discussion in this very same
      list where many people showed their contrariety about IPs being
      leased "per se" without any form of connectivity services involved
      and how many of them disapprove to see that happening, just look
      at the archives, otherwise this proposal would not be here.  So
      there is a fair amount of people who are equally suffering with
      IPv4 exhaustion that do not wish to keep watching IP addresses
      being handled by third parties, and end up going to those who can
      pay more rather than to those who really have proper justification
      to get them directly from ARIN following the same rules that
      everybody else is subjected equally.</p>
    <p>It is common during these times some may want to look 'more
      beautiful' than others there is always a special reason 'for that
      case' and this is where a lot of unfairness is generated.<br>
    </p>
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cite="mid:YQBPR0101MB8925ABB150681DC0B1950C389B449@YQBPR0101MB8925.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I hold
            ARIN’s goal of maintaining an open, accurate database of IP
            address usage to be ultimately far more important than its
            explicit non-goal of regulating IP address usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I believe
            this proposal tries to put ARIN into the role of “Internet
            cop” again and is inappropriate.</span></p>
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    This is not true and it is often used to oppose this type of idea of
    complete ban leasing because it damages specific type of business
    like IP brokerage.<br>
    ARIN or any RIR duties are not limited only to keep an accurate
    database of IP address, but also to make sure that those IPs - that
    doesn't belong to any resources holder, important to remember - are
    used in the fair and correct way they should. And if it not the case
    to revoke those resources. This doesn't have to do with the way
    people operate their networks in the sense of what BGP filters they
    apply, what Transit Providers they get, if they use CGNAT or issue
    Public IPs to their customers, etc.<br>
    This has to do with following the policy rules regarding IP address
    and in this sense it is up to the RIR to make sure of that without
    anything related to "internet police"<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Preventing
            legitimate users from using leased IP addresses does not
            help the internet.  Preventing illegitimate users from doing
            so might well help the internet, but leads straight into the
            classic “only criminals will have guns” argument – why would
            anyone with a shady use ever use truthful information in an
            application to ARIN in the first place?</span></p>
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    </blockquote>
    <p>A legitimate user should get these addresses from ARIN directly
      and sign a contract with it otherwise they can get the address
      from their upstream provider who provides connectivity services to
      them. An illegitimate resource holder should return them back if
      they don't have usage anymore.</p>
    <p>This helps the internet when organizations abide by the rules, is
      more secure in the sense that there are mechanisms to stop abuses
      and security issues and everybody is subjected to the same rules
      and requirements to have address to something they don't own.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F5587"
                lang="EN-US">Adam Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F5587" lang="EN-US">Consultant,
              Infrastructure Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F5587" lang="EN-US">100 -
              135 Innovation Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F5587" lang="EN-US">Winnipeg,
              MB R3T 6A8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F5587" lang="EN-US">(204)
              977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F5587" lang="EN-US"><a
                href="https://www.merlin.mb.ca/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                  style="color:#1F5587">https://www.merlin.mb.ca</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="https://teams.microsoft.com/l/chat/0/0?users=athompson@merlin.mb.ca"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#1F5587">Chat
                  with me on Teams</span></a></span><span
              style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> ARIN-PPML
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando Frediani<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> September 11, 2022 10:30 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
                  ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Hello Bruce<br>
            Thanks for sharing these concerns. Seem reasonable ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Talking briefly it is hard to catch all possible details,
            but I see that in a network infrastructure transfer to a
            subsidiary there are different ways that can be done. In
            general these subsidiary may likely have direct connectivity
            from the parent company in a provider/customer relationship,
            but when it is not the case I think it is fair to think that
            the subsidiary or startup company may not need a large
            amount of addresses to start with, so the parent willing to
            support it can easily transfer a small amount of address via
            the normal transfer process and allow that company to start
            giving more flexibility so it to grow overtime and if
            necessary make subsequent transfers.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I understand the scenario you describe may look legitimate,
            but the issue is to have too generic and open way that end
            up allowing the usage of resources in a forbidden or unfair
            way that is damageable to the Internet community.<br>
            The most common to start with is, if the resource holder
            doesn't provide any type of connectivity to the receiving
            organization it may cause security issues because the
            resource holder does not have immediate physical control to
            manager or filter them.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Some of the drivers of the proposal is to make sure that
            resources are always used in the most fair way and that
            doesn't cause security issues to Internet ecosystem
            overtime. It doesn't sound fair, specially in times of IPv4
            exhaustion that a shared resources that nobody owns alone,
            to go to those who can pay more rather than to those who
            really need and justify for them according to the current
            rules that everyone is subjected to. There is no
            justification to have a prefix allocated from an
            organization to another if the second one is perfectly able
            to get them directly from a neutral and well established
            organization - ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I hope it helps to address some of your concerns, otherwise
            we carry on.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Best regards<br>
            Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/09/2022 16:25, Bruce Cornett
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I still see a significant issue.
              Consider the transfer of network infrastructure to a
              subsidiary or possibly a startup.  And for the moment the
              parent corporation is not providing connectivity.  If the
              blocks are transferred to the subsidiary and something
              goes awry with that business segment, access to the blocks
              could be lost.  The end users with connectivity go belly
              up with essentially no recourse.  
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">The reasonable solution is to simply
                allow the subsidiary or startup to use the blocks
                subject to an agreement between the two parties.
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">While I can't suggest I know the
                  driver for the proposal, I would guess it's to reign
                  in the month to month leasing of address blocks for
                  dubious services.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It may
                  make sense to make a policy that disallows leasing for
                  network usage justification. <o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Bruce C<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                    <br>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On
                      Sep 10, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Fernando Frediani
                      <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p>Hello Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p>There is not problem at all in these scenarios as
                      resources can be easily transferred and there are
                      policies for that already, therefore the mechanism
                      already exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/09/2022 13:31, Bruce
                        Cornett via ARIN-PPML wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hello <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                          I see a potential problem where changes in
                          corporate structure occur when shifting day to
                          day operations to subsidiaries or sister
                          corporations, leaving the block assignment
                          with the original holder. 
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Bruce C<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                              <br>
                              <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 9,
                                2022, at 9:44 AM, Fernando Frediani
                                <a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p>Hello<o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p>There is no such error in the proposal.<br>
                                This has been checked as being the
                                interpretation staff gives to the
                                current policy in most RIRs. APNIC is
                                just an example that have confirmed it
                                publicly a couples of days ago.
                                <br>
                                You may not find all the very specific
                                words you may wish for in the text, but
                                it is not much difficult for them to
                                have such interpretation given the
                                resources must follow a proper
                                justification of what they will be used
                                for and that can never be that you will
                                use them for leasing (rent of lend).
                                ARIN also already confirmed in this very
                                same list they don't accept it as a
                                justification.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p>There is no much around the term
                                leasing. If an organization who don't
                                provide any connectivity services to
                                another simply rent or lend IP space,
                                with or without a cost associated that
                                is something that must not be since they
                                no longer have a justification to keep
                                that IP space and instead should either
                                transfer it to those who really justify
                                or return to ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/08/2022
                                  11:04, Mike Burns wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Opposed, I think
                                  the proposal contains errors that
                                  should be fixed before the discussion
                                  proceeds.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">For example this
                                  statement :<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">“<span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">In
                                    other RIRs, the leasing of addresses
                                    is not authorized either and since
                                    it is not explicit in their policy
                                    manuals either, this proposal will
                                    be presented as well.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">If
                                    it is not in their policy manuals,
                                    how can the proposers state leasing
                                    is not authorized?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">Where
                                    do the proposers think authority
                                    comes from, if not from policy and
                                    contract?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">Are
                                    they just assuming that all things
                                    are prohibited unless they are
                                    explicitly allowed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">That
                                    would be an interesting way to read
                                    the policy manual, if that is the
                                    belief, we should discuss that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">Beyond
                                    that there is the very next
                                    sentence:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white">”
                                    Nothing is currently mentioned in
                                    RIPE about this and it is not
                                    acceptable as a justification of the
                                    need. “ 
                                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Once again the bias
                                  is towards prohibition despite
                                  language about leasing being absent
                                  from RIPE policy. More to the point,
                                  and something that can’t be
                                  drummed-home clearly enough to this
                                  community, RIPE has no needs test at
                                  all for transfers and hasn’t for
                                  years.  And yet RIPE still exists and
                                  operates as an RIR.  Even further to
                                  the point, in the one occasion that
                                  RIPE performs a needs-test, which is
                                  on inter-regional transfers from ARIN,
                                  leased-out addresses are in fact
                                  acceptable as justification. That’s
                                  because of two logical things. First,
                                  RIPE understands that the inherent
                                  value of the addresses drives them
                                  towards efficient use. Second, RIPE
                                  understands that they are charged with
                                  getting addresses into use, not
                                  getting them into use on particular
                                  networks.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">So the first two
                                  sentences in the “situation at other
                                  RIRs” are problematic/false.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Might I suggest
                                  fixing those before we move forward,
                                  and also can you please define the
                                  word leasing?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">This seems poorly
                                  though-out to me, and I haven’t
                                  started on the meat of the proposal
                                  yet nor how it would be effectively
                                  policed and prohibited.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
                                  Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                      ARIN-PPML <a
                                        href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">
<arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>ARIN<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 23,
                                      2022 12:29 PM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> PPML <a
                                        href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> [arin-ppml] Draft
                                      Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not
                                      Intended<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 18 August 2022,
                                  the ARIN Advisory Council (AC)
                                  accepted "ARIN-prop-308: Leasing Not
                                  Intended" as a Draft Policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy
                                  ARIN-2022-9 is below and can be found
                                  at:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                    href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">You are encouraged
                                  to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML.
                                  The AC will evaluate the discussion to
                                  assess the conformance of this draft
                                  policy with ARIN's Principles of
                                  Internet number resource policy as
                                  stated in the Policy Development
                                  Process (PDP). Specifically, these
                                  principles are:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">* Enabling Fair and
                                  Impartial Number Resource
                                  Administration<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">* Technically Sound<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">* Supported by the
                                  Community<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">The PDP can be
                                  found at:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                    href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policies and
                                  Proposals under discussion can be
                                  found at:
                                  <a
                                    href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Sean Hopkins<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Senior Policy
                                  Analyst<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">American Registry
                                  for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy
                                  ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Problem Statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">“IPv6 Policy
                                  (section 6.4.1.) explicitly mention
                                  that address space is not a property.
                                  This is also stated in the RSA
                                  (section 7.) for all the Internet
                                  Number Resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">However, with the
                                  spirit of the IPv4 allocation policies
                                  being the same, there is not an
                                  equivalent text for IPv4, neither for
                                  ASNs.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Further to that,
                                  policies for IPv4 and IPv6
                                  allocations, clearly state that
                                  allocations are based on justified
                                  need and not solely on a predicted
                                  customer base. Similar text can be
                                  found in the section related to
                                  Transfers (8.1).<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Consequently,
                                  resources not only aren’t a property,
                                  but also, aren’t allocated for leasing
                                  purposes, only for justified need of
                                  the resource holder and its directly
                                  connected customers.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, and so
                                  that there are no doubts about it, it
                                  should be made explicit in the NRPM
                                  that the Internet Resources should not
                                  be leased “per se”, but only as part
                                  of a direct connectivity service. At
                                  the same time, section 6.4.1. should
                                  be moved to the top of the NRPM
                                  (possibly to section 1. “Principles
                                  and Goals of the American Registry for
                                  Internet Numbers (ARIN)”.”<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Policy statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Actual Text (to be
                                  replaced by New Text):<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">6.4.1. Address
                                  Space Not to be Considered Property<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">It is contrary to
                                  the goals of this document and is not
                                  in the interests of the Internet
                                  community as a whole for address space
                                  to be considered freehold property.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">The policies in
                                  this document are based upon the
                                  understanding that globally-unique
                                  IPv6 unicast address space is
                                  allocated/assigned for use rather than
                                  owned.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">New Text<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">1.5. Internet
                                  Number Resources Not to be Considered
                                  Property<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">It is contrary to
                                  the goals of this document and is not
                                  in the interests of the Internet
                                  community as a whole for address space
                                  to be considered freehold property.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">The policies in
                                  this document are based upon the
                                  understanding that Internet Number
                                  Resources are allocated/assigned for
                                  use rather than owned.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">ARIN allocate and
                                  assign Internet resources in a
                                  delegation scheme, with an annual
                                  validity, renewable as long as the
                                  requirements specified by the policies
                                  in force at the time of renewal are
                                  met, and especially the justification
                                  of the need.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, the
                                  resources can’t be considered
                                  property.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">The justification
                                  of the need, generically in the case
                                  of addresses, implies their need to
                                  directly connect customers. Therefore,
                                  the leasing of addresses is not
                                  considered acceptable, nor does it
                                  justify the need, if they are not part
                                  of a set of services based, at least,
                                  on direct connectivity.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Even in cases of
                                  networks not connected to the
                                  Internet, the leasing of addresses is
                                  not admissible, since said sites can
                                  request direct assignments from ARIN
                                  and even in the case of IPv4, use
                                  private addresses or arrange
                                  transfers.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Timetable for
                                  implementation: Immediate <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Situation in other
                                  Regions:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">In other RIRs, the
                                  leasing of addresses is not authorized
                                  either and since it is not explicit in
                                  their policy manuals either, this
                                  proposal will be presented as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Nothing is
                                  currently mentioned in RIPE about this
                                  and it is not acceptable as a
                                  justification of the need. In AFRINIC,
                                  APNIC and LACNIC, the staff has
                                  confirmed that address leasing is not
                                  considered as valid for the
                                  justification.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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