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<p>Hi Adam<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/09/2022 13:56, Adam Thompson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The error
in what Fernando just said is: parent companies do not, in
fact, transfer their possibly-valuable IP space to
subsidiaries - they assign/allocate instead. Until very
recently, that wasn’t possible in many cases, so we wound up
with yet another instance of ARIN policy that actively
prevented the database from being as accurate as possible.
That’s fixed (more or less) as of this year – I admit I
haven’t done all the SWIPs I should have by now, now that I
can!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My primary
concern with this policy is that it will do much the same –
drive leasing underground, and the public registry will then
fail to accurately reflect reality in yet another way.</span></p>
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<p>This cannot be more important than have the rules followed, rules
that were agreed when the contracts were originally signed by each
member. We cannot accept a situation that may be out of the rules
or abnormal and turn into something normal just because some
people do that and "we have to accept". No, in the other hand
people must follow what is expected and those who don't will be
subject to sanctions. There is a reason most rules exist and in
general these have been discussed extensively to get to that
point.</p>
<p>There was not much a while ago a discussion in this very same
list where many people showed their contrariety about IPs being
leased "per se" without any form of connectivity services involved
and how many of them disapprove to see that happening, just look
at the archives, otherwise this proposal would not be here. So
there is a fair amount of people who are equally suffering with
IPv4 exhaustion that do not wish to keep watching IP addresses
being handled by third parties, and end up going to those who can
pay more rather than to those who really have proper justification
to get them directly from ARIN following the same rules that
everybody else is subjected equally.</p>
<p>It is common during these times some may want to look 'more
beautiful' than others there is always a special reason 'for that
case' and this is where a lot of unfairness is generated.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I hold
ARIN’s goal of maintaining an open, accurate database of IP
address usage to be ultimately far more important than its
explicit non-goal of regulating IP address usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I believe
this proposal tries to put ARIN into the role of “Internet
cop” again and is inappropriate.</span></p>
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This is not true and it is often used to oppose this type of idea of
complete ban leasing because it damages specific type of business
like IP brokerage.<br>
ARIN or any RIR duties are not limited only to keep an accurate
database of IP address, but also to make sure that those IPs - that
doesn't belong to any resources holder, important to remember - are
used in the fair and correct way they should. And if it not the case
to revoke those resources. This doesn't have to do with the way
people operate their networks in the sense of what BGP filters they
apply, what Transit Providers they get, if they use CGNAT or issue
Public IPs to their customers, etc.<br>
This has to do with following the policy rules regarding IP address
and in this sense it is up to the RIR to make sure of that without
anything related to "internet police"<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Preventing
legitimate users from using leased IP addresses does not
help the internet. Preventing illegitimate users from doing
so might well help the internet, but leads straight into the
classic “only criminals will have guns” argument – why would
anyone with a shady use ever use truthful information in an
application to ARIN in the first place?</span></p>
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<p>A legitimate user should get these addresses from ARIN directly
and sign a contract with it otherwise they can get the address
from their upstream provider who provides connectivity services to
them. An illegitimate resource holder should return them back if
they don't have usage anymore.</p>
<p>This helps the internet when organizations abide by the rules, is
more secure in the sense that there are mechanisms to stop abuses
and security issues and everybody is subjected to the same rules
and requirements to have address to something they don't own.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> ARIN-PPML
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando Frediani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 11, 2022 10:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hello Bruce<br>
Thanks for sharing these concerns. Seem reasonable ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Talking briefly it is hard to catch all possible details,
but I see that in a network infrastructure transfer to a
subsidiary there are different ways that can be done. In
general these subsidiary may likely have direct connectivity
from the parent company in a provider/customer relationship,
but when it is not the case I think it is fair to think that
the subsidiary or startup company may not need a large
amount of addresses to start with, so the parent willing to
support it can easily transfer a small amount of address via
the normal transfer process and allow that company to start
giving more flexibility so it to grow overtime and if
necessary make subsequent transfers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I understand the scenario you describe may look legitimate,
but the issue is to have too generic and open way that end
up allowing the usage of resources in a forbidden or unfair
way that is damageable to the Internet community.<br>
The most common to start with is, if the resource holder
doesn't provide any type of connectivity to the receiving
organization it may cause security issues because the
resource holder does not have immediate physical control to
manager or filter them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Some of the drivers of the proposal is to make sure that
resources are always used in the most fair way and that
doesn't cause security issues to Internet ecosystem
overtime. It doesn't sound fair, specially in times of IPv4
exhaustion that a shared resources that nobody owns alone,
to go to those who can pay more rather than to those who
really need and justify for them according to the current
rules that everyone is subjected to. There is no
justification to have a prefix allocated from an
organization to another if the second one is perfectly able
to get them directly from a neutral and well established
organization - ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I hope it helps to address some of your concerns, otherwise
we carry on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards<br>
Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/09/2022 16:25, Bruce Cornett
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I still see a significant issue.
Consider the transfer of network infrastructure to a
subsidiary or possibly a startup. And for the moment the
parent corporation is not providing connectivity. If the
blocks are transferred to the subsidiary and something
goes awry with that business segment, access to the blocks
could be lost. The end users with connectivity go belly
up with essentially no recourse.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The reasonable solution is to simply
allow the subsidiary or startup to use the blocks
subject to an agreement between the two parties.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I can't suggest I know the
driver for the proposal, I would guess it's to reign
in the month to month leasing of address blocks for
dubious services. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It may
make sense to make a policy that disallows leasing for
network usage justification. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bruce C<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On
Sep 10, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Fernando Frediani
<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hello Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is not problem at all in these scenarios as
resources can be easily transferred and there are
policies for that already, therefore the mechanism
already exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/09/2022 13:31, Bruce
Cornett via ARIN-PPML wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I see a potential problem where changes in
corporate structure occur when shifting day to
day operations to subsidiaries or sister
corporations, leaving the block assignment
with the original holder.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bruce C<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 9,
2022, at 9:44 AM, Fernando Frediani
<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hello<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is no such error in the proposal.<br>
This has been checked as being the
interpretation staff gives to the
current policy in most RIRs. APNIC is
just an example that have confirmed it
publicly a couples of days ago.
<br>
You may not find all the very specific
words you may wish for in the text, but
it is not much difficult for them to
have such interpretation given the
resources must follow a proper
justification of what they will be used
for and that can never be that you will
use them for leasing (rent of lend).
ARIN also already confirmed in this very
same list they don't accept it as a
justification.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is no much around the term
leasing. If an organization who don't
provide any connectivity services to
another simply rent or lend IP space,
with or without a cost associated that
is something that must not be since they
no longer have a justification to keep
that IP space and instead should either
transfer it to those who really justify
or return to ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/08/2022
11:04, Mike Burns wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Opposed, I think
the proposal contains errors that
should be fixed before the discussion
proceeds.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example this
statement :<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“<span
style="color:#333333;background:white">In
other RIRs, the leasing of addresses
is not authorized either and since
it is not explicit in their policy
manuals either, this proposal will
be presented as well.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">If
it is not in their policy manuals,
how can the proposers state leasing
is not authorized?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Where
do the proposers think authority
comes from, if not from policy and
contract?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Are
they just assuming that all things
are prohibited unless they are
explicitly allowed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">That
would be an interesting way to read
the policy manual, if that is the
belief, we should discuss that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">Beyond
that there is the very next
sentence:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white">”
Nothing is currently mentioned in
RIPE about this and it is not
acceptable as a justification of the
need. “
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#333333;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Once again the bias
is towards prohibition despite
language about leasing being absent
from RIPE policy. More to the point,
and something that can’t be
drummed-home clearly enough to this
community, RIPE has no needs test at
all for transfers and hasn’t for
years. And yet RIPE still exists and
operates as an RIR. Even further to
the point, in the one occasion that
RIPE performs a needs-test, which is
on inter-regional transfers from ARIN,
leased-out addresses are in fact
acceptable as justification. That’s
because of two logical things. First,
RIPE understands that the inherent
value of the addresses drives them
towards efficient use. Second, RIPE
understands that they are charged with
getting addresses into use, not
getting them into use on particular
networks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the first two
sentences in the “situation at other
RIRs” are problematic/false.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Might I suggest
fixing those before we move forward,
and also can you please define the
word leasing?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This seems poorly
though-out to me, and I haven’t
started on the meat of the proposal
yet nor how it would be effectively
policed and prohibited.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
ARIN-PPML <a
href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>ARIN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 23,
2022 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PPML <a
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [arin-ppml] Draft
Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not
Intended<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 18 August 2022,
the ARIN Advisory Council (AC)
accepted "ARIN-prop-308: Leasing Not
Intended" as a Draft Policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy
ARIN-2022-9 is below and can be found
at:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You are encouraged
to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML.
The AC will evaluate the discussion to
assess the conformance of this draft
policy with ARIN's Principles of
Internet number resource policy as
stated in the Policy Development
Process (PDP). Specifically, these
principles are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">* Enabling Fair and
Impartial Number Resource
Administration<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">* Technically Sound<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">* Supported by the
Community<o:p></o:p></p>
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found at:<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policies and
Proposals under discussion can be
found at:
<a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sean Hopkins<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Senior Policy
Analyst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">American Registry
for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy
ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Problem Statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“IPv6 Policy
(section 6.4.1.) explicitly mention
that address space is not a property.
This is also stated in the RSA
(section 7.) for all the Internet
Number Resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, with the
spirit of the IPv4 allocation policies
being the same, there is not an
equivalent text for IPv4, neither for
ASNs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Further to that,
policies for IPv4 and IPv6
allocations, clearly state that
allocations are based on justified
need and not solely on a predicted
customer base. Similar text can be
found in the section related to
Transfers (8.1).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Consequently,
resources not only aren’t a property,
but also, aren’t allocated for leasing
purposes, only for justified need of
the resource holder and its directly
connected customers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, and so
that there are no doubts about it, it
should be made explicit in the NRPM
that the Internet Resources should not
be leased “per se”, but only as part
of a direct connectivity service. At
the same time, section 6.4.1. should
be moved to the top of the NRPM
(possibly to section 1. “Principles
and Goals of the American Registry for
Internet Numbers (ARIN)”.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Policy statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Actual Text (to be
replaced by New Text):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6.4.1. Address
Space Not to be Considered Property<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is contrary to
the goals of this document and is not
in the interests of the Internet
community as a whole for address space
to be considered freehold property.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The policies in
this document are based upon the
understanding that globally-unique
IPv6 unicast address space is
allocated/assigned for use rather than
owned.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">New Text<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1.5. Internet
Number Resources Not to be Considered
Property<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is contrary to
the goals of this document and is not
in the interests of the Internet
community as a whole for address space
to be considered freehold property.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The policies in
this document are based upon the
understanding that Internet Number
Resources are allocated/assigned for
use rather than owned.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ARIN allocate and
assign Internet resources in a
delegation scheme, with an annual
validity, renewable as long as the
requirements specified by the policies
in force at the time of renewal are
met, and especially the justification
of the need.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, the
resources can’t be considered
property.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The justification
of the need, generically in the case
of addresses, implies their need to
directly connect customers. Therefore,
the leasing of addresses is not
considered acceptable, nor does it
justify the need, if they are not part
of a set of services based, at least,
on direct connectivity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Even in cases of
networks not connected to the
Internet, the leasing of addresses is
not admissible, since said sites can
request direct assignments from ARIN
and even in the case of IPv4, use
private addresses or arrange
transfers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Timetable for
implementation: Immediate <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Situation in other
Regions:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In other RIRs, the
leasing of addresses is not authorized
either and since it is not explicit in
their policy manuals either, this
proposal will be presented as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing is
currently mentioned in RIPE about this
and it is not acceptable as a
justification of the need. In AFRINIC,
APNIC and LACNIC, the staff has
confirmed that address leasing is not
considered as valid for the
justification.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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