<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi PPML,<div><br></div><div>Just a reminder to the community that we as shepherds are entertaining suggestions to clarify the problem statement in a way that might help provide a basis for the policy to undergo development and advancement.</div><div><br></div><div>Please feel free to share your ideas.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(118,113,113)">Matthew Wilder</span><br></p></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 7:08 AM Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear ARIN-PPML,<br><br>Please find my comments below; inline...<br><br>Le lundi 8 août 2022, Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" target="_blank">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">ARIN Draft Policy 2021-6 was retitled earlier this year as “Permit IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilization for Future Allocations” and </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Andrew,</div><div>Thank you for your email, brother!</div><div><br></div><div>...i want to recall that the INRS (Internet Numbers </div><div>Resource System) [1] directs us about which entity</div><div>are delegated/designated to, regionally and locally, </div><div>distribute INRs to other Orgs in need-basis. These </div><div>are RIR, LIR/NIR & ISP :-/ </div><div>Yes! sub-allocations/assignments exist! Why not </div><div>simply use it?</div><div><br></div><div>Also, INRs are not properties...</div><div><br></div><div>imho! leasing opposes to need-basis utilization; </div><div>unless it's fully managed by the delegated RIR, </div><div>who's not really bound to need-basis constraint the </div><div>same manner as LIRs are.</div><div><br></div><div>If there is a *need* for a "leasing" policy; then imho, </div><div>it would be to help in solving community problems;</div><div> and not individual ones. </div><div><br></div><div>An example of a community problem could be: </div><div>"shortening the INR's wainting list".</div><div><br></div><div>|Q1. Which Org *should* be eligible to obtain INRs </div><div>| in lease?</div><div>|</div><div>| A1. In order to obtain INRs in lease, from the RIR,</div><div>| an Org *must* join the INRs Waiting List and check</div><div>| the LIAL (List of INRs Available for Leasing) </div><div>| option.</div><div>|</div><div>|Q2. Which Org *must* be allowed to provide INRs </div><div>| for lease?</div><div>| Which Resource Holder should provide INRs </div><div>| through leasing; in order to satisfy others' needs?</div><div>|</div><div>| A2. If, after one year of holdering INRs, an Org is </div><div>| not able to use 40 % of the numbers allocated to </div><div>| it; then part of the other 60 % should join a List of </div><div>| INRs Available for Leasing (LIAL); in order to not </div><div>| fall under | the policy trap regarding minimum </div><div>| utilization. After three years these unused INRs</div><div>| join automatically the LIAL list.</div><div>|</div><div>|Q3. What's the benefit of Orgs which provide the </div><div>| INRs they hold for lease?</div><div>|</div><div>| A3. If it's true that a resource holder who have not </div><div>| used a given percentage of its allocated/assigned;</div><div>| INRs would see those INRs reclaimed; then a draft</div><div>| policy which could help them to hold those INRs </div><div>| for more long would be of great help...imho :-/</div><div>|</div><div><div>|Q4. ...</div><div>|</div><div>| A4. ...</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Would it solve a community problem?</div><div>What's the community problem to solve?</div><div><br></div><div>Please share your own thoughts; even to contradict</div><div>mine :-) <br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">the text was also updated based upon feedback from the community at the Fall 2021 meeting.<br>
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<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_6/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_6/</a><br>
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The draft did not receive sufficient support in the shepherds opinion to move this policy toward a recommended draft policy. Since this time the shepherds have been discussing with various members of the Internet Community and the ARIN AC on a possible path forward for this draft policy.<br>
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One of the ideas was to take a look at the problem statement and perhaps update and clarify the problem statement in hopes that this process would provide additional ideas to move the process forward.<br>
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The current draft policy problem statement is as follows:<br>
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Problem Statement: Current ARIN policy prevents the use of leased-out addresses as evidence of utilization.<br>
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Some contributors have suggested that there are perhaps two or more issues that are attempting to be solved here.<br>
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Organizations would like the ability to lease some of their address space and not limit the receipt of future IPv4 transfers due the fact that ARIN’s evaluation of utilization considers leased space today to be unused.<br>
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Organizations who wish to obtain address space are not able to pledge the address space as collateral in a financial transaction. The RSA and ARIN policy today limit the ability of IPv4 address resources to be transferred to another party (financier) without that party showing need for use on an operational network.<br>
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We invite your feedback on these thoughts and ideas to help us rework the problem statement and future policy language solving these issues.<br>
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In particular, do you believe the problem statement needs to be rewritten to clarify the issue the Internet Community is trying to solve here?<br>
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If so, what problem or problems do you believe that the Internet Community needs to solve and what problem statement(s) make sense to restart the conversation around this topic?<br>
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Thanks in advance for your feedback,<br>
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Andrew<br>
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