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<div class="">As noted, it was possible to refute Ronald’s claim (of ARIN’s purported failure to policy) for this </div>
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<div class="">it’s generally not possible. </div>
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<div class="">FYI - If you wish to rename the ARIN’s "Internet Number Resource Fraud Reporting” process, </div>
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<div class="">Thanks!</div>
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<div class="">On 18 Jul 2022, at 9:56 AM, Paul E McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" class="">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">John you just did discuss the resource holder publicly in question. You stated you reviewed the case in question. Go back and look at your own words.</div>
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You shared that they had been properly vetted with policy in place at the time, did you not?<br class="">
That is a public statement, is it not?<br class="">
Your Inside the DC Beltway back and forth language is dis-heartening.<br class="">
I think ARIN needs to move to a politically more neutral location, perhaps Kansas City and get outside of the Beltway and it's use of the English language which id evidently different than the Midwest.<br class="">
The Federal Government did that with a major division in the Department of Agriculture to save money.<br class="">
So I think it would be best if ARIN relocated to better utilize member resources(money) it is given in trust.
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John you are a "master" waffler.<br class="">
I will not use a system with "fraud" in it's label to report non-fraud.<br class="">
The name of the system, I think, needs to change to use as you recommend.<br class="">
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<div data-marker="__HEADERS__" class=""><b class="">From: </b>"John Curran" <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br class="">
<b class="">To: </b>"Ronald F. Guilmette" <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Sent: </b>Monday, July 18, 2022 8:44:01 AM<br class="">
<b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Reclamation of Number Resources<br class="">
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<div class="">On 18 Jul 2022, at 7:33 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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So when you say (paraphrasing) "It is unclear if ARIN could ever provide a<br class="">
public justification of the properness of the issuance..." of either a<br class="">
membership or a number resource... well... you've just proven that it *is*<br class="">
possible, at least in this one rather specific instance, yes?<br class="">
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Maybe it could be possible in other instances also (?)<br class="">
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It might be possible in other instances where the claim of inappropriate application </div>
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<blockquote class="">As I noted earlier, we rather frequently receive reports that allege improper<br class="">
issuance only to find out that that they stem from insufficient understanding<br class="">
of the applicable Internet number resource policy on the part of the submitter.<br class="">
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Yes. And in all of those cases it should never be necessary for ARIN to give<br class="">
out anybody's confidential information, right? Because you can just do<br class="">
exactly what you have done in this case, i.e. helpfully explain to the party<br class="">
that raised the issue/question why they simply have, as you put it, an<br class="">
"insufficient understanding of the applicable Internet number resource policy".<br class="">
And wouldn't that be the most helpful, friendly, and polite thing to do in<br class="">
all such cases?<br class="">
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We do sometimes can supply similar explanations to the submitter of an Internet</div>
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<div class="">In any case, the disposition of each report is provided in the quarterly findings reports - </div>
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<div class="">I suppose that you are correct, John, that in this case the error was all mine<br class="">
in having failed to understand and appreciate that even as recently as 2016 the<br class="">
ARIN membership did not take seriously the possibility of interlopers from<br class="">
outside the region coming into the region to grab whatever was left of ARIN's<br class="">
already dwindling resources. And thus, for my mistake I will say "Mea cupla!",<br class="">
fall on my sword, and do whatever other groveling may be appropriate in this<br class="">
circumstance.<br class="">
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But I am hoping that you will be so kind as<br class="">
to point me to the place where I may myself review the NRPM as it existed<br class="">
back in 2012. </div>
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When I highlighted the the adoption of NRPM section 9 was in 2016, I did so via a link to </div>
<div class="">the NRPM change log (which includes all of the versions of the Number Resource Policy</div>
<div class="">Manual since inception) - </div>
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Thanks,
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