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<div class="">On 14 Jul 2022, at 7:36 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">If you wish that we investigate this matter, please submit a report of the<br class="">
suspected Internet number resources fraud as per this process https://<br class="">
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Thank you John, but I must decline that generous invitation for the following<br class="">
three good and compelling reasons:<br class="">
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1) I cannot, in all honesty and good conscience, report something as<br class="">
"fraud" where the set of pertinent facts, as I have elaborated them,<br class="">
*do not* suggest that there has been any fraud, deceit, or<br class="">
misrepresentation of any kind, at least not on the part of the member<br class="">
organization in question.<br class="">
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<div class="">If you are correct in your assertions, then the organization will have made a representation of significant connection to the ARIN region in order to be issued number resources (despite having no such connection) – that would indeed constitute a fraud
in the request for Internet number resources. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>John, that is a legal conclusion you are drawing based on the alleged facts as presented by Ronald. You cannot hold Ronald accountable for the fact that he has not drawn said same conclusion, nor can you treat your conclusion as if it were an accusation made by Ronald.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Certainly, it seems likely to me that ARIN should investigate the facts alleged by Ronald and it does not seem unreasonable to me that ARIN could, if said investigation came to the conclusion that Ronalds alleged facts are substantiated, pursue the situation as fraud, but it seems unreasonable to me that the only way to get ARIN to investigate a set of facts is to formally (through ARIN’s process) accuse said organization of fraud and then depend on an opaque and unaccountable process to take it from there without any further feedback to the reporter.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>