<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>I don't believe either form (Acknowledgement or Attestation) are currently optional. Only the Acknowledgement form needs to be notarized, however.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"><br></div><div class="zmail_extra" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 17:58:21 -0400 <b>Sylvain Baya <abscoco@gmail.com></b> wrote ---<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px;"><div>Dear ARIN-PPML,<div><br></div><div>Please find my comments below, inline...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.<br><br>Le samedi 25 juin 2022, Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com" target="_blank">tom@iptrading.com</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><u></u><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div>Owen,<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is actually the link for the sample Officer Attestation:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Tom,<br></div><div>Thanks for adding more clarifications, brother :-) <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/OfficerAttestation_watermark.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/OfficerAttestation_watermark.pdf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>The link you provided was for the "Officer Acknowledgement". <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Right, thanks!<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div>The Officer Acknowledgement is a notarized form <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here, you seem to have kickly generalised an <br></div><div>optional act :-/ <br></div><div><br></div><div>It's not what the documented [1] procedure states:<br></div><div><br></div><div><quote1><br></div><div><div>"*No notarization is necessary*. Note that the form <br></div><div>will be provided to you and is not available via our <br></div><div>website."<br></div></div><div></quote1><br></div><div>__<br></div><div>[1]: <a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/attestation/#:~:text=No%20notarization%20is%20necessary,not%20available%20via%20our%20website" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/attestation/#:~:text=No%20notarization%20is%20necessary,not%20available%20via%20our%20website</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div>signed by the Seller of the resources verifying, among other things, that the signer is authorized on behalf of the source entity to make the resource transfer. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div> <br></div><div>...it would be really useful to render this attestation<br></div><div> mandatory, imho; as it appears to be optional [1].<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That helps to avoid a situation where an unauthorized employee with ARIN online access could make a resource transfer without permission.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for mentioning this valuable detail.<br></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, the tool is available; but it's still [2] optional :'-(<br></div><div> <br></div><div><paste2><br></div><div>"Officer Acknowledgment <br></div><div><br></div><div>The Officer Acknowledgment form , *when signed* <br></div><div>*and notarized*, *is required to be provided* to <br></div><div>ARIN *by a source organization* (current registrant)<br></div><div> for a Transfer to Specified Recipients in the ARIN <br></div><div>Region (8.3) or an Inter-RIR Transfer (8.4). An <br></div><div>officer of the source organization needs to sign this<br></div><div> form, have it notarized, and provide it to ARIN."<br></div><div></paste2><br></div><div>__<br></div><div>[2]: <a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/#:~:text=Officer%20Acknowledgment,notarized%2C%20and%20provide%20it%20to%20ARIN" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/#:~:text=Officer%20Acknowledgment,notarized%2C%20and%20provide%20it%20to%20ARIN</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Would you like it to become mandatory?<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The Officer Attestation is a simpler form signed by the Buyer attesting to the accuracy of the justification data and doesn't require notarization. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom, could you, please, explain why?<br></div><div><br></div><div>...imho! the new resource holder *must* be an org <br></div><div>which is willing to demonstrate its *need* of INRs.<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That's the one the draft policy seeks to eliminate.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a new information, at least for me, and i <br></div><div>thank you for this useful clarification, brother.<br></div><div><br></div><div>...i see it, at least, become optionally validated.<br></div><div>As you explained; the interest in validating the <br></div><div>Officer Acknowledgement document, is to add <br></div><div>more confidence to the process, for the new <br></div><div>resource holder.<br></div><div>Why not also validate Officer Acknowledgement <br></div><div>documents?<br></div><div>If the new resource holder's right representative <br></div><div>could sign a notarized document, then the new <br></div><div>destination of those INRs, being transfered, might <br></div><div>be more safe, and the numbering community <br></div><div>would celebrate that happy end...imho :-/<br></div><div><br></div><div>Rather than supporting this attempt to prevent the <br></div><div>use of Officer Attestation documents, i recommend<br></div><div> that its validation becomes the norm & its non <br></div><div>validation an exception. This would add more <br></div><div>protection against INRs reservation, imho.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to let me know if i misunderstood something...<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is where, i have to call John again...or anyone, <br></div><div>with clue, from ARIN's Staff...for help :-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,<br></div><div>--sb.<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="x_213123569gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom Fantacone<br></div><div><br></div><div style="border-top: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);min-height: 0.0px;margin-top: 10.0px;margin-bottom: 10.0px;line-height: 0.0px;"><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>---- On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:41:46 -0400 <b>Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>></b> wrote ---<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0.0px;"><div><div><blockquote><div><div><br><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><br>><br> > [...]<br> ><br> <br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br><p>Best Regards !<br>__<br>baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure" target="_blank">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br>Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/" target="_blank">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br>__<br>#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br>«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br><br></p></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>