<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">John,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the attestation is required of ALL recipients, not only specified transfer recipients.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This would include recipients receiving v4 or v6 resources from an ARIN application as well as those receiving them through specified transfers. I don’t recall whether this applies to merger/acquisition transfers or not, so clarification there would also probably be useful.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I realize that the DP in question proposes removing the requirement only from certain specified transfers.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m still opposed to this proposal for the reasons stated and I thank you for this clarification to the community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:03, John Sweeting <<a href="mailto:jsweeting@arin.net" class="">jsweeting@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Hello PPML,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">ARIN would like to provide a clarification on both the Officer Attestation which is what is highlighted in DP ARIN-2022-3 and the Officer Acknowledgement which is not included in that Draft Policy.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Officer Attestation, as referenced in ARIN Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) 8.5.5 Block Size is specifically asking for an officer of the organization to attest to the documented justification that states at least 50% of the requested block size will be used within the next 24 months. There is no notarization required and it serves to state and confirm that yes, that is our plan for the next 24 months and the information and documentation provided is accurate. This is only asked for in conjunction with a specified transfer recipient.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">On the other hand, Officer Acknowledgement, which is not contained in the NRPM, is an operational requirement for Source Organizations (Current Registrant) found at:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/transfers/" title="https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/transfers/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="" class="">https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/transfers/</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">This requirement states that “The source organization must provide a signed and notarized <a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/office_acknowledgement.pdf" title="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/office_acknowledgement.pdf" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="" class="">Officer Acknowledgement Letter</span></a>. The purposes of this requirement are:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to state that there are no known disputes from another party to claim rights to these Internet number resources<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to ensure that a duly authorized officer has the authority to legally bind the source registrant<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to document the authorization to transfer said resources<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to provide indemnification to ARIN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to verify that the data in the transfer request ticket is accurate<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">-to agree to all terms and release the rights to the Internet number resources contained in the specified transfer ticket.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">As you can see there is really no comparison to the two separate and distinct documents that serve two very different purposes.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">If there is further information required please reply and we will get that out to the list.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">John S.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, June 27, 2022 at 11:33 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Sweeting <<a href="mailto:jsweeting@arin.net" class="">jsweeting@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com" class="">tom@iptrading.com</a>>, ARIN PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-3: Remove Officer Attestation Requirement for 8.5.5<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear ARIN-PPML,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please find my comments below, inline...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks.<br class=""><br class="">Le lundi 27 juin 2022, John Sweeting <<a href="mailto:jsweeting@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jsweeting@arin.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi PPML,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please be patient on this one. There is a lot of incorrect information reference these two forms <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi John,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for confirming this, brother :'-(<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">and we will be sending out a clarification to this list later this morning with exact details of each form.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Great!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...i look forward to obtaining authoritative insights :-)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Shalom,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">--sb.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">John S.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tom@iptrading.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, June 27, 2022 at 6:57 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>ARIN PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-3: Remove Officer Attestation Requirement for 8.5.5</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I don't believe either form (Acknowledgement or Attestation) are currently optional. Only the Acknowledgement form needs to be notarized, however.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in; margin-top: 7.5pt; margin-bottom: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 17:58:21 -0400<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote ---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">[...]</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; 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