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<p>Hello Stephen</p>
<p>Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I
commented I have to say that I often see this type of questioning
in the list and I personally don't see the list exclusively to
discuss policies, but anything that may have to do with them and
with this Policy Development Discussion ecosystem we are all
involved.<br>
<br>
People participating here take in consideration a lot of details
to form their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and
anything that may have to do with an attack against a RIR, a
tentative of manipulation of the process being the PDP or election
to the Board or any RIR that may also happen in this one should be
of the concern of everybody involved, so they can have more
information to form their opinion regarding the effects of each
proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.<br>
<br>
Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the
effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to
affect how things work for all others and by consequence the whole
of Internet, so another reason is good that people participating
in the this list get this related information to take in account
when discussing any proposed policies and also if that kind of
trouble could also happen here.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen
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blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion in
relation to? I seem to recall that the PPML List is
to "p</span>rovide a forum to raise and discuss
policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing
and proposed ARIN policies."<br>
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Perhaps the community would be better served if the
current conversation to a forum more focused on the
topic being discussed?</p>
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12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:kodion@gmail.com"
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16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <<a
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<div>On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <<a
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Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via
ARIN-PPML, <<a
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Yes, there’s no secret that I am a
consultant to Cloud Innovation and<br>
Larus, Ltd.</blockquote>
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<div dir="auto">True story.</div>
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However, I have no involvement or
affiliation with NRS and<br>
no desire to have same.</blockquote>
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<div dir="auto">Internet archives never
forget.</div>
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<div dir="auto"><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e="
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<div dir="auto">On that thread, your
response was in full defence of NRS as you
really went on to explaib what they are
all about as though you had insider
knowledge of the organization.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheers,</div>
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<div>Nope… It was a statement against certain
misinformation being promulgated by you at the
time.</div>
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<div>It was based on the publicly available record
at the time and not any internal knowledge or
affiliation with NRS.</div>
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<div>I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is
doing/has done, but I’m supporting them in their
law suits because I believe the board and staff
are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke
their membership based on a plain text reading of
the provisions cited by the board and staff in
their various affidavits and correspondence.</div>
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<div>Facts are facts. When I see misinformation
and/or disinformation, I will tend to speak out
against it, even when I don’t agree with or
support the party being attacked.</div>
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<div>These would have to be alternative facts from your
track record on the AFRINIC lists :-) </div>
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<div>Omo <br>
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