<div dir="auto"><div>My apologies, John and all. I agree that AFRINIC matters should remain in Africa unless it relates to the ARIN region.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Omo. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 19:55 John Curran, <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Stephen is correct – i.e., those that wish to entertain significant discussions of matters related to AFRINIC governance have more appropriate mailing lists in that community available for such a purpose.</div>
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<p>Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I commented I have to say that I often see this type of questioning in the list and I personally don't see the list exclusively to discuss policies, but anything that may have to do with them and
with this Policy Development Discussion ecosystem we are all involved.<br>
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People participating here take in consideration a lot of details to form their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and anything that may have to do with an attack against a RIR, a tentative of manipulation of the process being the PDP or election
to the Board or any RIR that may also happen in this one should be of the concern of everybody involved, so they can have more information to form their opinion regarding the effects of each proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.<br>
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Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to affect how things work for all others and by consequence the whole of Internet, so another reason is good that people participating
in the this list get this related information to take in account when discussing any proposed policies and also if that kind of trouble could also happen here.<br>
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Best regards<br>
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<div>On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen R via ARIN-PPML wrote:<br>
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PPML List is to "p</span>rovide a forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN policies."<br>
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Perhaps the community would be better served if the current conversation to a forum more focused on the topic being discussed?</p>
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Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and<br>
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<div dir="auto">True story.</div>
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However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and<br>
no desire to have same.</blockquote>
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<div dir="auto">Internet archives never forget.</div>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">On that thread, your response was in full defence of NRS as you really went on to explaib what they are all about as though you had insider knowledge of the organization.</div>
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<div>Nope… It was a statement against certain misinformation being promulgated by you at the time.</div>
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<div>It was based on the publicly available record at the time and not any internal knowledge or affiliation with NRS.</div>
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<div>I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is doing/has done, but I’m supporting them in their law suits because I believe the board and staff are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke their membership based on a plain text reading of the provisions
cited by the board and staff in their various affidavits and correspondence.</div>
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<div>Facts are facts. When I see misinformation and/or disinformation, I will tend to speak out against it, even when I don’t agree with or support the party being attacked.</div>
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<div>These would have to be alternative facts from your track record on the AFRINIC lists :-) </div>
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