<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 1, 2022, at 14:17 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">And its important for the ARIN community to not be misled by one sided subjective views from Owen.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>As opposed to being misled by the one sided subjective views of Noah?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Time will tell and the Afrinic community representatives shall present their side of the story and what has been happening then you as a numbers community can make your own judgement.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Indeed… Wasn’t the entire board served with contempt of court papers during the meeting this week?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">The message in that video is not misinformation as we have other members who have collaborated openly what is being stated in the video.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Oh, it most certainly is misinformation…</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The bylaws contain no requirement for address utilization to be within the African region other than what is enshrined in the soft landing policy.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Many of his statements about the Bylaws, the RSA, and the CPM are flat out incorrect and do not reflect a plain text reading of the materials.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>As to whether or not any one approached him to “buy his vote”, I cannot say. There are a number of organizations in the region that I would not be surprised by such behavior, yes, including some that are in the business of IPv4 marketing/trading/leasing.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I agree that attempting to purchase votes is deplorable and immoral. Turns out, it’s not actually prohibited by the rules (someone might want to work on a bylaws amendment to address that).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Nonetheless, the fact remains that this particular person is the only candidate the Nominating Committee put up for one of the seats in the AFRINIC election where they had an option to reject his candidacy. The other candidate is an incumbent and the bylaws actually prohibit the nominating committee from preventing an incumbent from running for re-election.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 01:07 Daniel Schroder, <<a href="mailto:daniel.schroder@gmail.com" class="">daniel.schroder@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I second this as well, Owens presenting arguments with what seems like good logic with short term gains, is long term loss to the parties who should be on watch and then do not do so, and now we have to watch said parties edge in board votes to the bodies who's responsibility is to stop exactly this, by parties who want more freedom with moving IPv4 space offshore.</div><div dir="auto" class="">No.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 01 Jun 2022, 21:43 Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:02 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It’s actually full of misinformation.<br class="">
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It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM.<br class="">
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It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and Nominating Committee to railroad the election.<br class="">
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The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order because of the improper acts of the board in conducting it.<br class="">
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This is a much bigger mess than folks here are likely to be aware of and the AFRINIC board is rather thoroughly off the rails at this point.<br class="">
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Owen<br class=""></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Owen</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Please be honest and dont mislead the Arin community.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There is a second side to each story. Time will tell.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> On May 31, 2022, at 23:05 , Steve Spence <<a href="mailto:steve.spence@arkitechs.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">steve.spence@arkitechs.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet Registry, I think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this video and to learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region.<br class="">
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