<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That also works for me.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:42 , Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" class="">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'd like to propose another option for
the last part of section5, to make it clear that a planning and
implementation period is permissible.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">"AS Numbers shall be issued to
organizations meeting section 5 criteria and up to 12 months prior
to planned implementation on their network."</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2022 7:54 PM, Owen DeLong via
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I’m fine with all but the last change… The new wording is
potentially more problematic than the old wording in that “current
need” might imply that one needs to already be multi homed before
one can get an ASN, which creates a bit of a catch-22 which is the
reason for the “or immediately become…” language.
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<div class="">I suggest instead that we consider the following:</div>
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<div class="">AS Numbers are based on current need, as set out in
this section 5. However, a site which plans to begin exchanging
inter domain routing protocols with other autonomous systems
upon receipt of the ASN requested is considered to have current
need.</div>
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<div class="">This would, IMHO, have the clarifying effect which
is sought in the problem statement.</div>
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<div class="">On Mar 8, 2022, at 06:51, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">info@arin.net</a>>
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Policy has been revised:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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AS Number and Unique Routing Policy Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of
this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet
number resource policy as stated in the Policy
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these
principles are:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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Internet Numbers (ARIN)<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Draft Policy
ARIN-2021-3: Private AS Number and Unique Routing
Policy Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">At ARIN 47, staff
identified three points of potential confusion with
current text in NRPM Section 5: AS Numbers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“Sites that do not
require a unique AS Number should use one or more of
the AS Numbers reserved for private use.” Some
customers are not aware that their need for unique AS
Numbers depends upon their need (or lack thereof) to
interconnect with other organizations’ Autonomous
Systems.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“In order to be
assigned an AS Number, each requesting organization
must provide ARIN with verification that it has one of
the following…A unique routing policy (its policy
differs from its border gateway peers)…A multihomed
site.” Few customers qualify for AS Numbers under the
“unique routing policy” requirement, because they
don’t understand what “unique routing policy” actually
means in practice.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“AS Numbers are issued
based on current need. An organization should request
an AS Number only when it is already multihomed or
will immediately become multihomed.” All ARIN
delegations are based on current needs, and some
customers aren’t aware they need network plans when
they request AS Numbers. Additionally, clarification
that some organizations may have a unique need for an
AS Number outside of utilizing a unique routing
policy, such as one implemented using, for example, a
protocol such as Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Policy statement:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In Section 5 -<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“Sites that do not
require a unique AS Number should use one or more of
the AS Numbers reserved for private use.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">with<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“If a unique AS Number
is not required for a given network design, one or
more of the AS Numbers reserved for private use should
be utilized.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Replace<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“In order to be
assigned an AS Number, each requesting organization
must provide ARIN with verification that it has one of
the following<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> A unique routing
policy (its policy differs from its border gateway
peers) 2. A multihomed site”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">with<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“In order to be
assigned an AS Number, each requesting organization
must provide ARIN with verification that it requires a
unique routing policy, such as a plan:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> To originate
announcement of IP Number Resources via an accepted
protocol (such as Border Gateway Protocol) from an AS
Number different than that of its upstream provider;<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> To multihome a site
with one or more Autonomous Systems; or<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> To use an AS Number
to interconnect with other Autonomous Systems.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“AS Numbers are issued
based on current need. An organization should request
an AS Number only when it is already multihomed or
will immediately become multihomed.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“AS Numbers are issued
based on current need, as set out in this section 5.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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