<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think Joe’s got a good suggestion that I would support - define “transferable number resources” as IPv4 addresses and ASNs in Section 2, and go from there.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-C<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" class="">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 14:53 Chris Woodfield <<a href="mailto:chris@semihuman.com" class="">chris@semihuman.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I support this edit, for same reasons others have mentioned. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I’m recalling yesterday’s presentation correctly, it was ARIN Staff and Legal, not the AC, that determined that this language could not be implemented an editorial change, so that’s not up for debate here.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One possible adjustment that I’d like to suggest is that the term “IPv4 and/or ASN resources” seems a bit awkward, given how many times it appears in the section. Perhaps we could add a new section that incorporates David’s suggested language, but also handles the clarification of the definition of number resources in a single place, scoped to Section 8.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, a new Section 8.1.1, which I’d propose would be named “Definitions”, could read as follows:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>All references to “number resources" in this section, unless stated otherwise, refer to IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>When number resources of multiple types, including IPv6 resources, are transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any restrictions following a transfer.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Following this, the other edits to Section 8 in the proposal can simply be changed to “number resources” to suit.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Opinions?</div></div></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-C</div><div class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">We’d be better off using defined terms. Easier to construct, but end up being document global. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Warm regards,<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">-M<</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree with Owen re: the editorial nature of the changes. However, I support it moving forward. I don't support the Farmer suggestion. That is possibly a material change that should undergo the rigors of "the process" on its own.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Warm regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-M<</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div class="">I support this amendment.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:45 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I support this proposal as currently written.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">However, regarding Kevin Blumberg's comment at the ARIN 48 discussion of this policy earlier today; How about adding a paragraph like the following to section 8.1, Principles;<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: medium none; padding: 0px;" class="">When number resources of multiple types, IPv4, IPv6, and/or ASNs, are transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any restrictions following a transfer.</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Something like this added to Section 8.1, Principles, along with the already proposed changes should eliminate any possibility of confusion in this regard.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:52 AM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 August 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-299: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6" as a Draft Policy.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4 is below and can be found at:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration</p><p class="MsoNormal">* Technically Sound</p><p class="MsoNormal">* Supported by the Community</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The PDP can be found at:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sean Hopkins</p><p class="MsoNormal">Senior Policy Analyst</p><p class="MsoNormal">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><p class="MsoNormal">Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><div class=""> <br class=""></div><p class="MsoNormal">Problem Statement:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The current language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional IPv4 space.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Policy statement:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In Section 8.3:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 numbers resources and ASNs may be transferred according to the following conditions.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">with</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 address and/or ASN resources may be transferred according to the following conditions.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 address resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">with</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 address and/or ASN resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In Section 8.4:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible needs-based policies.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">with</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources may take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible needs-based policies.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">with</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address and/or ASN resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In Section 8.5.6:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Replace</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks in order to receive additional space. This includes all space reassigned to their customers.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">with</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">“Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 space. This includes all IPv4 space reassigned to their customers.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Comments:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">These changes were originally included in ARIN-edit-2021-1. Staff and Legal review of ARIN-edit-2021-1 on June 14, 2021 indicated that some changes were not editorial in nature. The editorial changes went forward in ARIN-edit-2021-1 and the non-editorial changes are included here.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Timetable for implementation: Immediate</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br class=""></blockquote></div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">===============================================<br class="">David Farmer <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank" class="">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br class="">Networking & Telecommunication Services<br class="">Office of Information Technology<br class="">University of Minnesota <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/2218+University+Ave+SE?entry=gmail&source=g" class="">2218 University Ave SE</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Phone: 612-626-0815<br class="">Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br class="">===============================================<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br class=""></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>