<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 23, 2021, at 11:52 PM, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 14:05 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><br class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;white-space:normal" class="">No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage in a recurring charge for addresses or a differentiated service charge based on the number if addresses issued to a customer. Addresses must be provided strictly as part of a contract for connectivity services and the number of addresses provided shall not, in any way, affect the cost of those connectivity services.</div></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The goal of an LIR has always been to suballocate to end users they provided connectivity services. I know LIR who do this today and only charge for services not the /24 downstream assignments.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Then those LIRs wouldn’t be affected.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">The transfer policies then introduced address purchasing and some LIR went out of their way to pay for addresses based on need.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Is it safe to assume that the whole IPv4 market seems to have been created by not the LIR but folks who are not LIR but figured they would profit from brokering the limited addresses.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t buy that this is actually the case.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I am curious? Why an LIR whose ARIN membership fees is peanuts could go about leasing addresses instead of profiting from only the services they provide their customers.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">You’d have to ask them. I have provided clear examples of the practice by multiple LIRs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>