<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 16:16 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 01:58 Mike Burns, <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" class="">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u class=""></u><div class=""><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><div class="">Hi Noah,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"I dont see why a small startup WISP would prefer brokers or IPv4 leasers to an LIR.!"<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It's because we are out of addresses here in ARIN.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">But the LIR who provide IP based services and circuit have some which;</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">So the WISP can (only if they have less than a /20) try to get a /24 from the waiting list, but it is no guaranty.<br class=""></div><div class="">What if they need a /21?<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">They can sub-allocate to WISP downstream customers or end-users or end-sites though the LIR circuit.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">The have to either purchase or lease, and if they are not sure a new territory will work out, it makes business sense to lease rather than purchase.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">If it makes business sense to lease, the best is to seek sub-allocations from existing LIR by requesting a service from the said LIR.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Chances are the cost of direct sub allocation from an LIR providing such a WISP connectivity services would be way much lower since there are no 3rd party markups cost wise.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Pricing below assumes a 30 day month and computes the monthly price as (hourly price*24*30).</div><div>All of these are prices over and above the connectivity charge for whatever circuit on whatever plan you get with the provider. These are just the additional fees for static addresses from the providers shown.</div><div><br class=""><div><br class=""></div>Google static IP address pricing (assigned but unused address per month): $7.20</div><div>Google static IP address pricing (in use on a standard VM instance per month): $2.88</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per month, single address: $3.60</div><div>Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per mont, prefix (per address): $4.32</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Amazon pricing for static IPs is sufficiently opaque that I couldn’t figure it out.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Comcast static IP (Business class service only, so double your connectivity price, too), $19.95/month</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Century Link static IP $15/month + $75 setup</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Charter static IP (Business class service only, so plan an upcharge there, too): $65/month or more</div><div><br class=""></div><div>AT&T static IP: $15-$40/month</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Verizon Business: Starting at $99.95/month</div><div><br class=""></div><div>OneSource: $11/month</div><div><br class=""></div><div>EarthLink: $15/month</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tell me again how all of these circuit based LIRs are cheaper than the average $3-$5/month from a non-facilities based lessors?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><div class="">And that's assuming they can afford to purchase.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If they don't prefer brokers or IPv4 lessors to an LIR, there is no lease business and nothing for you to fret about.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The draft policy dont make no sense. The whole thing started with IPv4 transfers year ago and now cropping into IPv4 lessors but to whose benefit. Certainly not the community.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>So how, exactly, does the community benefit from paying $15+ per address, upwards to as much as almost $100/address/month instead of being able to lease from independent sources for ≤$5/address/month?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I mean I’m willing to accept the idea if you can make it make sense, but so far, your claims about pricing just aren’t reality.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>