<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 11:48 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 21 Sep 2021, 20:22 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">This policy doesn’t affect that… Leasing of address space you already have is permitted under current policy and cannot be grounds for revocation of address space.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The change in this policy proposal is not to permit or deny leasing, but to permit leased addresses to be considered utilized for purposes of determining eligibility for additional address acquisition.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The problem with the draft policy is that it removes the need for an some connectivity service from the LIR associated with the assigned IPv4 addresses to end-user customers.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No such requirement exists except at the time of applying for new space. It does remove the requirement from that circumstance.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">This business model would set a dangerous precedence not only in the ARIN region but across other regions.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The precedent is already set in RIPE. Further, if one wants to do it with space from any region other than AFRINIC, one need only acquire the space through an inter-RIR transfer to RIPE.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">What does "Users of network even mean"? Does that include any Tom, Mary and Jack with a smart handset?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I would think so, yes.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>After all, every Tom, Mary, Jack, and even Lamech (Noah’s father), with a smart hand set presumably needs an address for that smart handset to do smart handset things.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>